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Son Goku · Duke Joined: 13 Mar 2006 Posts: 426

Akosf, working in collaboration with crunch3r (I'm gathering) has been turning out optimized einstein apps for the s5 data set. #ni-1

A main thread for downloads can be found here

http://einstein.phys.uwm.edu/forum_thread.php?id=4425

With some discussion here:

http://einstein.phys.uwm.edu/forum_thread.php?id=4409

The second thread has a newer patch for the thing, though unless one gets "patched app", one might need to patch the app themself, following these directions:

KWSN - Sir Brian C.......

If you're intending to do this, and don't want to continually moitor prgress, it's better to use the S5Sxxxx.dat patches as they are considererd to be stable,

This is really a alpha project using real science data and can be quite risky, if you get a patch that causes errors, which has alredy happened.

also they want us to rename the app executable

Son Goku · Duke Joined: 13 Mar 2006 Posts: 426

thx, was gonna mention the name change for the thing.

For myself, am grabbing the test version, but then again being that I'm already running on Vista beta, kinda hard to get anymore testy then that #ni-1

S in the .dat name does stand for stable, whereas the other is test however... If you don't want to run the risk of something blowing up on a unit, get the s5s... and not the s5t...

KWSN - Sir Brian C....... · Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 11:09 pm Post subject:

It looks like there were some problems with the patched apps thathave cause d some errors in the science database. Because of this Akos and the Einstein team have asked us to STOP using the patched apps untill further notice...

http://einstein.phys.uwm.edu/forum_thread.php?id=4425

Please STOP using any patched app, they're damaging the scientific credibility of the project

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Killerrabbit · Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 11:25 pm Post subject:

I have no idea what patched apps mean.

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A Shrubbery · Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 11:36 pm Post subject:

Isn't that the quaint little village at the foot of the alps where you and Mildew first, umm, I'm sorry. I'm such a gossip.

Nothing to see here, move along.
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KWSN - Sir Brian C....... · Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 11:57 pm Post subject:

Son Goku · Duke Joined: 13 Mar 2006 Posts: 426

I'm getting the idea that there really weren't bad results that resulted from the patch; but that it was more a matter of politics and formality on the part of some people. Hell, I s'pose not even Bruce Allen was really the one who give the thumbs down on apps not called official, but he probably got the bit from some other people; which is why talk of changing the version number came before they got pulled.

The bad side is that people like Akosf are now left with a situation where crunching the s5 results on the stock app is a no go; given the age of their computers and the difficulty it would pose crunching within deadlines, or there was some reason for Akosf stating he couldn't run these units on the stock client, though he'd like to and does believe in the science behind the project.

A simple solution would be to open up an official beta app or project, and place Akosf (who as I understand has been helping out E@H in an official capacity now) as lead developer of the programming team for it. It can then be developed there, called official, as the signoff is given for it's development. But haven't heard this is what's going to happen now.

In the interum, it would allow this to be developed as an official alpha or beta (be it on the Einstein project, or in a project much similar to RALPH for instance), and in having Akosf head up the app development, would give the other devs a chance to not only benefit from his skill there wrt the project, but also to learn some new skills which could help them as they move forward in whatever their endeavors might become...

KWSN - Sir Brian C....... · Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 4:11 pm Post subject:

The "problem" is with the scientific peer review process.

The peers a probably competitor's of Bruce in trying to discover Gravitational waves themselves.

The issue was that the analysis techniques used, in this case the einstein app code, was peer reviewed and accepted by Bruce's peer scientist's, once Akos started tweaking the code, and to be brutally honest in a rather uncontrolled way by using us as testers with real live data, the peers could have said that bruce was not consistent in his technique that was accepted by them, thus his results are invalid......

Bruce didn't want to put the project in that position, I feel really sorry for Akos, he must be gutted and possibly a little embarrased.

Scientists can be quite bitchy and egotistical, and other scientists working on the same gravitational wave stuff, could have used this against Bruce and his team...

That's life I suppose, and a big learning experience for everyone concerned.....

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Son Goku · Duke Joined: 13 Mar 2006 Posts: 426

I doubt it was Bruce himself, and I do know the political wrangling that goes on in a university. I've had admins teach classes, where they get tired and are ready to pull their hair out sometimes. The call to CIRT "help, help...but it better be this, this, and this way". The problem at UNM in part is every department and even office in some cases, has it's own server, run by those who really have no knowledge in such things, they want to control everything, but have no administrators of their own. And the sec something they want to do doesn't work, they b**ch and moan, but still insist on everything being the non-functional way.

Then there was the not so lovely time that in going to change majors/colleges within the university, the dean's office wanted transcripts from admissions. Admissions promptly told me to go to the deans and I quote

Fart in your gen direxion · Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2006 9:21 am Post subject:

MIA Kanniggit Sir Fart buzzes the forum, reads the previous post, shakes his pointy head, screams

, and flys off for parts unknown Cool

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KWSN imcrazynow · Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 8:27 am Post subject:

Does anybody know of a good stable optimized app for the S5's for windows P4 SSE3.
Last I saw the "patched" ones were not so good and we were being asked to not use them.
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Pooh Bear 27 · Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 9:29 am Post subject:

Bernard says not to use them.

They are having a hard time going through the database to clean this up. The quicker we stop using them, the faster they can work on better optimizations.

KWSN imcrazynow · Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 4:34 pm Post subject:

Killerrabbit · Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 5:32 pm Post subject:

Correct the answer is no for now.

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