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Al Dente Prince


Joined: 23 Feb 2006 Posts: 3228 Location: Leodis, the jewel at the end of the yellow brick road (or M1)
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Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 10:51 am Post subject: A Plea (by A.Pleader) |
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Thought it was about time to put in a plea for a bit more kNi!ghtly involvement in the "nothing" projects. (Project links are in the daily update thread)
1. DIMES - Uses virtually no processor time and, although it needs a full-time internet connection, uses miniscule bandwidth. All it's doing is "Ping" and "Trace Route" (a few hundred bytes every 15 seconds or so) to map the internet, so the wider the geographical participation, the better. You need Java installed (you've probably already got it as part of your browser), and there's a Java Spy utility on the download page to check. The project goes tits-up fairly regularly, but don't fret - it'll get back to normal within a couple of days.
2. Hydrogen@home - Small and infrequent WUs; many error units (but they normally error in a few seconds, so almost no time wasted). KWSN are currently storming up the charts (albeit at a snail's pace), but more help would be much appreciated.
3. Pirates - What self-respecting kNi!ght hasn't got this on all his shrubbers? Quite a lot, judging by our progress. Very infrequent, miniscule WUs (20 seconds, if you're lucky - an excellent day is to score over one Cobbly). With a bit of application, we can overtake Les Frogs; is there a better reason?. Attach all machines this instant - no excuses.
4. WhatPulse - A key-counter, again with virtually no effect on your "real" shrubbing. KWSN are languishing in the lower 200's, and I'm sure we could do much better. It counts keys hit, mouse clicks and distance mouse moved, although the rankings are by keys; if you do any typing at all, join this. You can set it to report at intervals (mine is set to every 12 hours), at a certain level (JerWA is set at 10,000 keys), or (like Cohiba) whenever you remember to send.
If you attach to all the above, I can unequivocably guarantee that they will not use more than 1% of your rescources, and probably a lot less.
There are also 3 projects doing absolutely no useful work, but which can be fun to run.
5. Second Computing - Very restricted 20 second WUs, converting text files to upper case (is there anything more useless?). BUT.... KWSN are at #5 in the World at this Loonie activity, and liable to drop into the mire shortly without more kNi!ghtly involvement. It's run by the University of Houston, so I would expect it to start doing something useful in the future.
6. VTU - The last time I looked (well over a year ago), this project was just there to teach an Eastern European gentleman*** how to program a BOINC project. I lost patience when pending took over 6 months to turn up, purely because the check WUs weren't sent out, but I suspect it's much better now. Again, KWSN are drifting in a downwards direction, but a very small amount of input can halt the slide.
7. Gerasim - This one is a Russian one-man show, set up in the hope of attracting some "real" work. He's re-written the BOINC website software (Gawd knows why, so it's not a standard BOINC site, although the software runs OK under BOINC Manager). There's not much shrubbing activity, so a small input can reap good place gains.
Expecting a massive surge in Team Member numbers -
*** I had a sudden fit of politeness. _________________ Creationists believe they never evolved; I agree with them.
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Sir Papa Smurph Cries like a little girl


Joined: 18 Jul 2006 Posts: 4430 Location: Michigan
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Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 10:58 am Post subject: |
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Ok, Fine.....
I am already in Pirates, storming up the rankings with 6 credits this month.
I will attach Dimes and Hydrogen and on my remotes that I know people chat constantly I shall attach WhatPulse.
Are #'5,6 & 7 Vault projects? _________________ a.k.a. Licentious of Borg.........Resistance Really is Futile.......
and a Really Hoopy Frood who always knows where his Towel is...
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Al Dente Prince


Joined: 23 Feb 2006 Posts: 3228 Location: Leodis, the jewel at the end of the yellow brick road (or M1)
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Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 11:10 am Post subject: |
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Only DIMES (of the above) is a Vault project, and that's a long-term bet for place gains, but the Kows are less than a year behind, shrubbing at 3x our rate. _________________ Creationists believe they never evolved; I agree with them.
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Sir Papa Smurph Cries like a little girl


Joined: 18 Jul 2006 Posts: 4430 Location: Michigan
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Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 12:19 pm Post subject: |
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so dimes is not Boinc? I cant find a way to use boinc manager. Is this correct?
it is installed but won't run.
Yes I have checked Java.... _________________ a.k.a. Licentious of Borg.........Resistance Really is Futile.......
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Pooh Bear 27 Prince


Joined: 28 Jan 2005 Posts: 1358 Location: Fond du Lac, WI
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Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 1:32 pm Post subject: |
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So, why didn't you link each of the projects? Now I have to dig if I am even a little bit interested. |
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Killerrabbit Major Oblivion


Joined: 23 May 2002 Posts: 4656 Location: in a rabbit hole near you!!
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Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 3:24 pm Post subject: |
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How dare the Kows find more porn than us.
Ni _________________
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Sir Papa Smurph Cries like a little girl


Joined: 18 Jul 2006 Posts: 4430 Location: Michigan
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Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 11:26 pm Post subject: |
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Well good Sir.....
Hydrogen is invitation only.  _________________ a.k.a. Licentious of Borg.........Resistance Really is Futile.......
and a Really Hoopy Frood who always knows where his Towel is...
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Pooh Bear 27 Prince


Joined: 28 Jan 2005 Posts: 1358 Location: Fond du Lac, WI
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Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 7:46 am Post subject: |
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Arrr! Mad Tom Rackham (pronouced RACKem) has joined Pirates! |
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mohrorless Mail Order Goat Bride


Joined: 09 Oct 2006 Posts: 11206 Location: NYC
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Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 12:07 pm Post subject: |
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I am in pirates, but haven't gotten any WUs for a while. I do recall that on Talk Like a Pirate Day last year they opened the flood gates. _________________ Fetch me the Holy Hand Grenade!
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KWSN SpongeBob SquarePant Duke


Joined: 20 May 2002 Posts: 251 Location: In a Pineapple Under the Sea!
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Sir Papa Smurph Cries like a little girl


Joined: 18 Jul 2006 Posts: 4430 Location: Michigan
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Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 8:46 pm Post subject: |
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I still can't get Dimes to run.
and I still need an invitation to Hydrogen.
Hint,Hint  _________________ a.k.a. Licentious of Borg.........Resistance Really is Futile.......
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Al Dente Prince


Joined: 23 Feb 2006 Posts: 3228 Location: Leodis, the jewel at the end of the yellow brick road (or M1)
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Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 10:09 pm Post subject: |
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Did you install DIMES as a GUI or as a service - I've got all mine as a GUI only (uncheck the service box at install), as various ones seemed to drop into service mode occasionally and you can't see what's going on. It shows up in Task Manager as "javaw", if you need to see if it's running.
BTW, for maximum production (once you do get it running), go to Agent/Properties/Network and set "Time between measurements" to minimum (15 secs). _________________ Creationists believe they never evolved; I agree with them.
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Sir Papa Smurph Cries like a little girl


Joined: 18 Jul 2006 Posts: 4430 Location: Michigan
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Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 6:23 am Post subject: |
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Yes, when I double click the icon it shows up as javaw for about 3 seconds and uses 11% of one core then it disappears.
You know.... I think it may be time for a fresh install of XP....
I am also having low on registry issues, That could be it  _________________ a.k.a. Licentious of Borg.........Resistance Really is Futile.......
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Al Dente Prince


Joined: 23 Feb 2006 Posts: 3228 Location: Leodis, the jewel at the end of the yellow brick road (or M1)
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Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 8:00 am Post subject: |
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11% sounds extremely high - I don't think I've ever seen it over 1% (when it's communicating with base), and at 0% when running normally.
Possibly that's just Java initialising, then crapping out.
I've got one Vista shrubber that refuses to run DIMES, but all the XP and several other Vistas run perfectly OK.  _________________ Creationists believe they never evolved; I agree with them.
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Son Goku Duke


Joined: 13 Mar 2006 Posts: 426
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Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 10:47 pm Post subject: |
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Al Dente wrote: | Did you install DIMES as a GUI or as a service - I've got all mine as a GUI only (uncheck the service box at install), as various ones seemed to drop into service mode occasionally and you can't see what's going on. It shows up in Task Manager as "javaw", if you need to see if it's running. |
BTW, javaw is actually the java VM; and will also show up if other programs that use java (for instance Azureus) are running. So keep an eye out if something else is also using java.... The program might also have it's own process name, perhaps identifiable from some .exe in the install directory. Haven't looked at it specifically to say what it would be though.
Oh, and on hydrogen@home, if WUs are in short supply, they might not be looking to send invites out to new people. Depends if there's enough WUs for a few additional people, and the testers they have already. From look, it's in alpha stage though; and at some point should hit beta. When it hits beta phase, there might be a brief period for new accounts which opens up prior to going full public release. Perhaps a good idea if interested people keep an eye out to get signed up before some desired quorum is reached for beta testing. |
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Grawlfang Prince


Joined: 18 Feb 2005 Posts: 1256 Location: The Land of our lord JC, silly walks and all
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Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 7:46 am Post subject: Re: A Plea (by A.Pleader) |
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Al Dente wrote: |
5. Second Computing - Very restricted 20 second WUs, converting text files to upper case (is there anything more useless?). BUT.... KWSN are at #5 in the World at this Loonie activity, and liable to drop into the mire shortly without more kNi!ghtly involvement. It's run by the University of Houston, so I would expect it to start doing something useful in the future.
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That's clever of them...being able to compile up the example application that comes with the BOINC source code
Ni!
Fang _________________ Listen; Strange women laying in ponds, distributing swords, is no basis for a system of government.
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Al Dente Prince


Joined: 23 Feb 2006 Posts: 3228 Location: Leodis, the jewel at the end of the yellow brick road (or M1)
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Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 9:06 am Post subject: |
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Yes, it's what BelgianBeer@Home used, if memory serves; and I'm sure I've seen it somewhere else as well. _________________ Creationists believe they never evolved; I agree with them.
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Pooh Bear 27 Prince


Joined: 28 Jan 2005 Posts: 1358 Location: Fond du Lac, WI
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Al Dente Prince


Joined: 23 Feb 2006 Posts: 3228 Location: Leodis, the jewel at the end of the yellow brick road (or M1)
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Posted: Sat Sep 13, 2008 7:11 am Post subject: |
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Pooh Bear 27 wrote: | Where is shrubbrry for my Pirates? |
Be patient and they'll appear - it sometimes goes a month or so between batches, then they're all gone in a day or less. Progress in this project can be painfully slow, but all teams are in the same boat (or should that be galleon?).
Just leave it looking for work, and it'll build up enough long-term debt that it'll all be over in a flash; probably so quickly that you won't even notice the shrubs going through.
There was once, long ago in the mists of time, a fantastic rush of work which resulted in me shrubbing something like 50 Cobblies in a week!!! - Oh!, Fraptious Day
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