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Grizzly Prince


Joined: 01 Jun 2002 Posts: 3136 Location: Creepy (Crawlley)
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Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 11:00 am Post subject: AMD Phenom Quad cores ? |
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Ni and Hi fellows . has anyone here tried these yet ?
Input required please .
Thinking in the new year of getting one , but they have only just been released . How do they match up to the Intel offerings ?
Regds Grizz. _________________ Oh Bugger Forgot again - or is it Oh Father Reboot again ?
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Al Dente Prince


Joined: 23 Feb 2006 Posts: 3228 Location: Leodis, the jewel at the end of the yellow brick road (or M1)
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Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 11:54 am Post subject: |
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I'll let you know in a week or so.
I should have one up and running on Monday.
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ohiomike Prince


Joined: 20 May 2007 Posts: 858 Location: Sometimes
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Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 6:15 am Post subject: |
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Al Dente wrote: | I'll let you know in a week or so.
I should have one up and running on Monday.
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Same for me, I have my new AM-3 motherboard up and running with a spare 3800+ X2 in it, the AMD 9500 should be here Monday (noon, if UPS is on schedule). It should be a nice test, Al will most likely run Windoze, and I'll have Linux on mine.
PS- I got "cheap" and bought a BioStar MB (TF560 A2+, $79.99). It seems like a nice board, but requires a BIOS update for the 9500. OK, so I flashed the new BIOS and my 3800 posts but does not run. Flash the older BIOS, and the 3800 runs again. I hope the new BIOS works with the 9500. _________________

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Al Dente Prince


Joined: 23 Feb 2006 Posts: 3228 Location: Leodis, the jewel at the end of the yellow brick road (or M1)
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Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 12:22 pm Post subject: |
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ohiomike wrote: | Al will most likely run Windoze |
Correct, but back to XP - I've given up with Vista.
I thought about the Biostar TF560 (£40), but have ordered a Gigabyte GA-MA790X-DS4 with the new AMD 790 chipset (£100), so I shouldn't have any problems.
ETA has been put back a day, one of the suppliers doesn't work Saturdays, so the case and memory won't be despached until Monday.
All I've got to decide now is what project(s) to run.  _________________ Creationists believe they never evolved; I agree with them.
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ohiomike Prince


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Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 6:31 pm Post subject: |
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Al Dente wrote: | ohiomike wrote: | Al will most likely run Windoze |
Correct, but back to XP - I've given up with Vista.
I thought about the Biostar TF560 (£40), but have ordered a Gigabyte GA-MA790X-DS4 with the new AMD 790 chipset (£100), so I shouldn't have any problems.
ETA has been put back a day, one of the suppliers doesn't work Saturdays, so the case and memory won't be despached until Monday.
All I've got to decide now is what project(s) to run.  |
The AMD 790 chipset is supposed to be the hot ticket for these. I just couldn't hack the extra $100. The new version of AMD OverDrive (Windows) will only run on that chipset. It is the way to go for tuning, testing and over-clocking.
http://www.amd.com/us-en/0,,3715_15337_15354_15359,00.html
Take a wild guess what it is going to be running.
PS- I'm at 49.2 GFIO right now, so two more cores should push me over 50+.
PPS- I'm surprised you didn't go for the -DS5 version, 2600MHz Hyper Transport (5200 MT/s) instead of 2000/4000. {Since you're make of money- must be, to buy all the Windows licenses}  _________________

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ohiomike Prince


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Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 1:55 pm Post subject: |
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First adventures:
1) I generally turn off "Cool & Quiet" (problems with earlier versions of it). Don't do that on a Phenom- It defaults to a 5.5 (1/2 speed) CPU multiplier. Imagine my distress when my brand new Quad-Core benchmarked at less than the AMD 3800+ X2 I had in the board!
2) If you are running Linux- good luck! (See #1- &^*^%#*!)
3) My BIOS (BioStar motherboard) does not show the CPU multiplier, you have to set it via Cool & Quit (Windozes) or powernow-K8 (Linux) - but the BioStar BIOS doesn't play nice with powernow-k8.
Edit : 6 hours latter.
Finally running. Had to find a new BIOS from Rebel Haven to get the thing to run at proper speed under Linux (BIOS on BioStar's website is 8 versions behind the one that worked). Never have heard back from BioStar's Technical Un-Support.
http://www.cosmologyathome.org//show_host_detail.php?hostid=9752
Doesn't look like it's going to over-clock worth a darn, but that is a project for another day. I would suggest that anyone interested in one of these should wait for the 9700 to come out.
Edit: Dec 4.
The upside is that it looks like everything is validating on this machine (I was worried about the 128 bit wide FP unit producing different results than the standard 64 bit wide unit most CPU's use).
Performance looks just slightly better than a pair of 4200+ X2's hooked together (what I would expect @ 2.2 GHz).
Al- has your's shown up yet? _________________

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Grizzly Prince


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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 12:59 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks guys , reading with interest here .
Al , how does your Gigabyte board compare properly to a Gigabyte GA-790FX-DQ6 ? Stupid minds wana know
Regds Grizz
PS , Al try it on Traveling salesman exclusivly for a day or 2 . Post the results  _________________ Oh Bugger Forgot again - or is it Oh Father Reboot again ?
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ohiomike Prince


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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 2:35 pm Post subject: |
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It hasn't show up in the RAC yet, but the Phenom is doing about 4100 credits/day on Cosmo (my slightly over-clocked Q6600 {2.9 GHz} is doing about 4600).
Note- I can't get the thing to over-clock at all, stock is 200 MSB clock (2.2 GHz), after 204 it won't post. I gave up and just let it run @ stock speed. _________________

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Al Dente Prince


Joined: 23 Feb 2006 Posts: 3228 Location: Leodis, the jewel at the end of the yellow brick road (or M1)
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Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 1:19 am Post subject: |
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These are the figures for credits/CPU second from BOINC Stats
Code: | Processor clock pts/hr pts/hr/GHz
AthlonXP 1800+ 1.53 6.96 4.55
Athlon64 3800x2 2.00 11.19 5.60
Athlon64 4600x2 2.40 12.96 5.40
Athlon64 5600x2 2.80 14.97 5.34
Core2Duo E6300 1.86 10.97 5.90
Core2Quad Q6600 2.40 17.00 7.08
Phenom x4 9500 2.20 14.59 6.63 |
These are overall figures, so bear in mind that the other processors have had a go at higher scoring projects; the Phenom is running Tanpaku, Sztaki, SHA-1, Lattice & TSP, all relatively low-scoring.
Bearing this in mind, it looks as if the AMD is probably about on a par with Intel at the same clock speed, possibly a couple of % less.
Don't hold your breath waiting for the 9700 - See here and here. _________________ Creationists believe they never evolved; I agree with them.
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Mildew KWSN ArchBishop


Joined: 13 Oct 2002 Posts: 2617 Location: Sweden
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Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 3:41 am Post subject: |
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For those of you that are worried about what's going to happen with AMD in these times of turmoil, Tom's Hardware has made a very reassuring article.
This journalist is using a classic trick: Ask no difficult question, and you will get good answers.
The result is perhaps the least informative piece of crap I've seen on Tom's Hardware.
Way to go Tom's! That's quite a bit of cred lost right there...  |
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Al Dente Prince


Joined: 23 Feb 2006 Posts: 3228 Location: Leodis, the jewel at the end of the yellow brick road (or M1)
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Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 4:38 am Post subject: |
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Well, TSP's been running on my Phenom for 4½ days now, so here's the comparison with my Q6600s
Code: | TSP
Q6600 Ph9500 Ph/Q
GFlops 2273.02 2233.37 98.25%
Claimed
Results 998 372
Time 927.31 325.81
Points 14,279.4 4,775.76
Pts/hr 15.40 14.66 95.2%
Pts/result 14.31 12.84 89.7%
Min/result 55.75 52.55 94.3%
Granted
Results 893 330
Time 831.28 289.09
Points 14,263.3 5,280.00
Pts/hr 17.16 18.26 106.4%
Pts/result 16.00 16.00 100.0%
Min/result 55.85 52.56 94.1%
Grant/Claim 1.11 1.25 111.8% |
I'll leave you to draw your own conclusions, but it would appear that AMD have got a slight advantage on this particular project, especially bearing in mind that the Intel is running a 2.4GHz clock vs. AMDs 2.2GHz, and the two processors are virtually the same price. _________________ Creationists believe they never evolved; I agree with them.
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Grizzly Prince


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