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Killerrabbit
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Getting a lemon stuck up your nostril is no fun, unless you have had some PGGB's. But their spelling is quite wrong and now we must go to war over that spelling.
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Sir Cracked of the Mind
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| Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 12:27 pm Post subject: |
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I'm far to busy for a war right now, can we put it off for a year or two, the garden is just such a mess right now, and what with winter just round the corner, so much work to get out of the way before leon day.
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mohrorless
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| Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 5:34 pm Post subject: |
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You have 10 months until leon day....
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Killerrabbit
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| Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 11:14 pm Post subject: |
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You can never start planning to eary. I am planning for leon day 8 years from now.
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Sir Cracked of the Mind
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| Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 1:17 pm Post subject: |
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I've celebrated Leon Day eight years from now last month to save time later on.
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ToeBee
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Joined: 30 Jun 2004
Posts: 601
Location: Manhattan, KS
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| Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 4:36 am Post subject: |
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Someone said my name! What happened?!
I was involved with JerWA's attempt to get some changes in around here and I suppose it is partially my fault nothing happened with that. I can't speak for all of the admins but let me say that I harbor no bad feelings towards you and feel bad that I didn't do more. My forum activity seems to go in cycles. The past few months I haven't been very active on the forums. I am still active on IRC and keep an eye on the server. During this long weekend I'm hoping to get some new things done with my stats which have also been neglected for a while. Anyway, I'm still open to some changes but I don't know how active I will be in the future either. Work has been staying pretty busy because we are under staffed. (anyone looking for a job??) But then again its not like I have a girlfriend or anything like that so really I should have some time somewhere in the day... |
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KWSN - Sir Brian C.......
Stop calling me 'she'
Joined: 27 Feb 2006
Posts: 2032
Location: Judea, AD33, at a stoning with me mum.
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| Mildew wrote: | Clarity in what we want, eh?
As I recall, the  and emoticons were added without any special discussion or vote, so I still say there is a measure of personal admin interest in there.
Anyway, if a member representative is what we need, then a representative we shall have!
I will set up a vote for this, but I need candidates. JerWA? Sir Hamster? Furry? Me? Those interested enough to still be reading this post can just add candidates here, and I'll set up the vote in about a week or so.
And this does not solve the issue of the new forum category  |
Blimey... I go on hols for a few weeks and all hell breaks loose.... If you want a "change coordinater" volunteer them I'm up for it....
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Grizzly
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Location: Creepy (Crawlley)
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| Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 2:02 pm Post subject: |
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| jonnyv wrote: | Why is everyone trying to remember who the mods are? The board will tell you. I count 3 or 4 mods who post semi-regularly - SHoE, Furry Mark, Mildew, and bpowe. I don't see the need for new mods. There just isn't much call for moderating around here. You guys don't get out of hand very often, so really the only moderating that needs done is moving spam posts into the spam dump so that an admin can delete the user.
All of the admins are in there too (sort of redundant, I know) - Lizard, simm, Baldy, MacG, and me. Just because we don't post very often doesn't mean we're not around.
Perhaps it would be helpful to have a loony in charge of change requests. A single point of contact who would take vague requests for improvements (more smilies!), turn them into specific requests (add smilies X, Y, and Z) and bring it to an admin. |
Then READ your bloody PM's and reply sir !!
Best Regds Grizz
PS Two (2) weeks of wai'tyin now
PPS - Even a humoured attemp @ a potential "FLAME" got no respomce from the "ADMINS"
WAKE UP !! ('specialy Kat)
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Sir BaldyHead
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Joined: 16 Dec 2002
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Location: detention, 1st cell on the right
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| Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 3:02 pm Post subject: |
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| jonnyv wrote: | Why is everyone trying to remember who the mods are? The board will tell you. I count 3 or 4 mods who post semi-regularly - SHoE, Furry Mark, Mildew, and bpowe. I don't see the need for new mods. There just isn't much call for moderating around here. You guys don't get out of hand very often, so really the only moderating that needs done is moving spam posts into the spam dump so that an admin can delete the user.
All of the admins are in there too (sort of redundant, I know) - Lizard, simm, Baldy, MacG, and me. Just because we don't post very often doesn't mean we're not around.
Perhaps it would be helpful to have a loony in charge of change requests. A single point of contact who would take vague requests for improvements (more smilies!), turn them into specific requests (add smilies X, Y, and Z) and bring it to an admin. |
...although I wouldn't be to keen on having too many additions. They make the job of updating the software (done by johnny v and Mac) much more time consuming. All mods, additions etc have to be reinstalled during every (major) update. Besides: the main goal of this bb is to create a platform for team members to exchange information, to help each other etc.. All the nonsense being posted in the gorge, the jester and other places is nice but is not why this board is here.
That doesn't mean I don't appreciate all the loon(i)(e)(y)ness around here. It's what makes us attractive as a community ad thus is important in creating a certain atmosphere. More gadgets on the board, like smilies, and colours can contribute of course.
We'll hire a large convention center, invite all admins and set up an admin's conference to discuss whether we can improve the handling of requests, in bloody PM's or otherwise. We'll keep you posted on our progress but give us a few Leon's days... 
In the mean time: shrub on ...
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Grizzly
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| Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 3:19 pm Post subject: |
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Quote " the main goal of this bb is to create a platform for team members to exchange information, to help each other etc.." DeQuote (Sir Baldy)
So why no replys to some PM's then ??
Best Regds Grizz
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Sir BaldyHead
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Joined: 16 Dec 2002
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Location: detention, 1st cell on the right
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| Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 3:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Grizzly wrote: | Quote " the main goal of this bb is to create a platform for team members to exchange information, to help each other etc.." DeQuote (Sir Baldy)
So why no replys to some PM's then ??
Best Regds Grizz
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The problem seems to be that PM's to 'admin@....' go to more than one person. We're all waiting for someone else to pick up the message. Please have some (more) patience. We're working on it.
In the menatime, if you really want one of us to pick up a message asap, address it to me, jv or mac personally, not to admin in general.
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Cow_tipping
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Joined: 19 May 2002
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Location: On the run
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| Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 5:45 pm Post subject: |
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Send me a PM Grizz. I'll be more than happy to answer.
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JerWA
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Joined: 01 Jan 2007
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Location: WA, USA
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| Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 6:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Sir BaldyHead wrote: | | ...although I wouldn't be to keen on having too many additions. They make the job of updating the software (done by johnny v and Mac) much more time consuming. All mods, additions etc have to be reinstalled during every (major) update. |
Since when? I used phpBB for 3 years on my site before changing to SMF and they must not have ever had one of these major updates in all that time because I upgraded across at least 6 releases without losing anything except manual modifications to specific files. Nobody is asking for any of those (except me), and I've said every time that they're a PITA (which is phpBBs fault) and probably not worth it. Things like themes and smilies are just an entry in the database, pointing to the files that have nothing to do with phpBB (and hence shouldn't be impacted by anything you do to the forum), the same database that maintains the users and posts. Unless the board starts fresh every "major release," (which hasn't been required since pre 1.0 release of phpBB I'm sure) you should lose nothing in the database. Even if you did, that's what backups are for, and phpBB is fairly good about avoiding changes to the underlying data structure for just this reason. Besides, phpBB2 is nearing the end of it's life, the last release of ANY kind was 9 months ago, I don't think the time consuming job of updating it will ever be an issue again until you change to phpBB3.
I'm sorry, but having been the creator and administrator of a public site with forums far busier than these, I know exactly what's involved in the things I asked for. So far all I've heard in here is that I'm a liar (because somehow a specific list of smilies, with the files, and a pak file for importing is a vague request, or that my setting up a site where users voted on potential themes was a lack of interest) or in the very least just completely unheard and ignored, and that the administration here is not interested in actually administering the software. We have already spent more time talking about it than it would take to backup the entire site and implement every single change... 10x over. Hell, in the time we've spent in this thread I could have converted the site to SMF, or upgraded to phpBB3.
If you're just not interested in actually maintaining the site, just say so. The lying and avoidance is rapidly pushing me from defeated acceptance to seriously pissed off.
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jonnyv
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| Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 7:50 pm Post subject: |
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Baldy was incorrect in stating that mods need to be reinstalled with every update. Once they're installed, they stay installed. However, he is correct in stating that they do increase the time required to patch the board. Occasionally the patches provided by the phpBB team fail to apply cleanly, requiring that particular bit of code to be patched by hand. Given that phpbb3 is rapidly approaching, I'm reluctant to install any more mods that could make that transition more difficult.
Please stop misrepresenting what's involved in a theme. Other than a pure CSS swap, like the dark version of this forum, there's more to it than just a database entry. The template files themselves are subject to patching and not surprisingly, the phpBB team only patches the default theme.
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JerWA
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| Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 9:57 pm Post subject: |
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| jonnyv wrote: | | Please stop misrepresenting what's involved in a theme. Other than a pure CSS swap, like the dark version of this forum, there's more to it than just a database entry. The template files themselves are subject to patching and not surprisingly, the phpBB team only patches the default theme. |
Which is why you only use well developed and maintained themes, which was part of the qualifications I used before even putting the themes up on the test site to be voted on. It is a very rare day when the core theme is changed in any way that isn't purely cosmetic, usually only when functionality is added, which means basically never for phpBB2. The only non standard thing I've noticed here that would require touching anything in an additional theme is the news hack, and I offered to do the drudge work of implementing it.
Again, having DONE all of these things before for multiple sites, stop making it sound like it's some huge undertaking. Implementing a new theme with no mods takes less than 10 minutes including the time it takes to dump the files onto the server. My site had custom elements I had to design for every theme that took 2-3 hours each, I highly doubt you'd be looking at that steep of a time investment here. The time investment isn't a good argument anyways, since I offered to do all the work for you and hand you either the finish files or a list of exactly what had to be done so you could check my work or duplicate it yourself without involving me at all.
Next argument that isn't really "We can't be bothered" in disguise?
PS: CSS swaps never work. That's why all the buttons and smilies look awful on the "dark site." You have to clean the images to remove the trash left by poor creation in the first place so that they have clean transparent edges rather than the white jaggies they have "as shipped" with phpBB. Dark themes almost never work well with transparent images, it takes more time to clean their edges than to just color swap the correct background onto them. I'd know all about it, considering I've made forum buttons and icons for 3 forums by request and 6 different colorations of my own forums. Hell, I even redid all of the smilies for a site just for this reason, to take the white "halo" off of them. Creating a theme, even just a color swap, is a whole lot more work than adding a "canned" one, which is why I never suggested making our own.
Let me know when the administrative staff is ready to become an angry mob so I can use this smiley at least twice before I get banned.
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Grizzly
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| Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 2:43 am Post subject: |
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| Sir BaldyHead wrote: | | Grizzly wrote: | Quote " the main goal of this bb is to create a platform for team members to exchange information, to help each other etc.." DeQuote (Sir Baldy)
So why no replys to some PM's then ??
Best Regds Grizz
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The problem seems to be that PM's to 'admin@....' go to more than one person. We're all waiting for someone else to pick up the message. Please have some (more) patience. We're working on it.
In the menatime, if you really want one of us to pick up a message asap, address it to me, jv or mac personally, not to admin in general. |
Ni Hi Hans (Baldy) - Umm I did post directly to you and other admins , not just to the "Admins" .
Regds Grizz
PS Your own back-up site seems broken too .
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jonnyv
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I never got a PM about it. In any event, you've got an email reply now.
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Sir BaldyHead
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The Admins
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| Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 3:07 pm Post subject: |
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We're going to take turns in being resposible for answering PMs to The Admins. Althouth it's no guarantee every PM is answered immediately, it should be some improvement....
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Sir BaldyHead
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| Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 3:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Grizzly wrote: |
PS Your own back-up site seems broken too . |
.... no problem getting there from here... It has been relocated a few months back though... could that be the cause?
It's a virtual domain now on 83.80.82.62 http://www.kwsn.nl
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