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PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 1:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 4:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I nominate Sir Hamsters mother or Sir Furry's other furry thing.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 9:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I nominate Sir Hamsters mother or Sir Furry's other furry thing.

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1) You leave my mother out of this! Razz

2) Due to this being a family-friendly forum, Sir Furry's other furry thing will not be appearing ... Shocked Rolling Eyes Twisted Evil


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 10:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sir Hamster of Elderberry wrote:
Killerrabbit wrote:
I nominate Sir Hamsters mother or Sir Furry's other furry thing.

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1) You leave my mother out of this! Razz

2) Due to this being a family-friendly forum, Sir Furry's other furry thing will not be appearing ... Shocked Rolling Eyes Twisted Evil


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 10:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 11:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well I support the authorities, they are doing a splendid job, and have my support 110%, I'm sure they have never done anything wrong or underhand at any time at all, and they are all splendid chaps doing a sterling job under less than ideal conditions.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 12:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Well I support the authorities, they are doing a splendid job, and have my support 110%, I'm sure they have never done anything wrong or underhand at any time at all, and they are all splendid chaps doing a sterling job under less than ideal conditions.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 12:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok, so we're getting back on topic here... Rolling Eyes

Perhaps this post can be taken as a good example on how things generally turn out.
Someone makes a post intended to bring on some change on the forum.
There are a few posts from some other people who feels the same way, and then it generally starts getting off topic and silly, and then the thread is forgotten.
The result is no change.

What's wrong here?
Reading the original post I realize that the problem is probably that I just pointed out the problem.
You probably need to provide a suggestion for a solution too, otherwise there will never be a result.
By providing a solution you force others to take action, even if only to explain why they are against the solution, right?

Here goes then:
I suggest that JerWa is allowed some administration rights. If not made a full admin, at least he should be given the mandate to add smileys, add color themes, and whatever else is needed for the visual interface of the forum.

Jonnyv's suggestion that one person is made a contact person for the admins seems a bit awkward. Wouldn't it be better if one admin was selected the contact person for the members instead? That way the contact person could implement changes immediately instead of just telling an admin to do it. I may be Swedish, but bureaucracy has never been a favourite of mine.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 2:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mildew wrote:
Here goes then:
I suggest that JerWa is allowed some administration rights. If not made a full admin, at least he should be given the mandate to add smileys, add color themes, and whatever else is needed for the visual interface of the forum.


That's not workable without giving him ftp access to the server and I'm not comfortable doing that.

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Wouldn't it be better if one admin was selected the contact person for the members instead? That way the contact person could implement changes immediately instead of just telling an admin to do it. I may be Swedish, but bureaucracy has never been a favourite of mine.


The problem is not getting the code changes done once it becomes clear what you lot want. The problem is getting clarity on what it is that you want. Hardly anyone's ever serious around here, so what's needed is someone to sort out what's a serious request, and what's not. Someone to setup polls about which smilies or which theme, or whether the logo should have a herring in it. I can almost guarantee that'll be way more time consuming than making the actual changes.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 3:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jonnyv wrote:
Mildew wrote:
Here goes then:
I suggest that JerWa is allowed some administration rights. If not made a full admin, at least he should be given the mandate to add smileys, add color themes, and whatever else is needed for the visual interface of the forum.


That's not workable without giving him ftp access to the server and I'm not comfortable doing that.

Which is a point I brought up myself earlier. It's not as easy as it should be, because most of these things cannot actually be done via the forum. Adding a smiley to the forum is the last step, and the only step that actually involves the forum. This is a flaw in phpBB, not with the administration here. It's one of the reasons I dabbled briefly with the idea of trying to get you to change to SMF, because all of these things are handled directly from the forum administration page, and administrative rights can be granularly controlled (i.e. you really can just make someone the smiley admin). That's wandering off topic however, so I digress. Point being is that I understood that I could not make the changes myself, and asked to only as a last ditch effort when all else failed.

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Wouldn't it be better if one admin was selected the contact person for the members instead? That way the contact person could implement changes immediately instead of just telling an admin to do it. I may be Swedish, but bureaucracy has never been a favourite of mine.


The problem is not getting the code changes done once it becomes clear what you lot want. The problem is getting clarity on what it is that you want. Hardly anyone's ever serious around here, so what's needed is someone to sort out what's a serious request, and what's not. Someone to setup polls about which smilies or which theme, or whether the logo should have a herring in it. I can almost guarantee that'll be way more time consuming than making the actual changes.

Which is really only a problem because looking for a majority input is the easy way to avoid having to make changes, actually expecting to get a majority input on a forum is a farce. I took the steps to get users to look at the options, I presented polls and asked for opinions. We had it narrowed down to 2 themes that the users who were interested in the process (i.e. who cared enough to even look) picked. If nothing else, the information existed to make an officially unofficial poll here to increase exposure.

Instead, I spent weeks going from being ignored, to being put off, to being ignored again. I finally gave up because it was quite evident that nobody "in power" even cared about the ideas I was presenting. It isn't about me, it wasn't some sort of power play. From the very first I didn't ask for any administrative rights or access, I asked for changes to be made. Adding a theme takes a few minutes, and impacts the average user not at all. All it does is add an option for users that are interested, which goes beyond just myself or the test site I setup to demo the themes would have had no visitors. Adding a smiley pack takes about as long, and again, impacts the average user not at all. And again, the interest went beyond my own because users came and contributed smiley ideas.

All of this is really a moot point. I've accepted the fact that this forum will be ugly forever and using my own smileys has become automatic. <shrug> Evidently all of the threads I've started about it, the test site I setup, the user input I asked for, was not a serious request. If the powers that be don't care what the users want, what is there to do about it but accept it or leave? I'm still here, so you already know my decision.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 4:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Clarity in what we want, eh?

As I recall, the #ni-2 and #ni-1 emoticons were added without any special discussion or vote, so I still say there is a measure of personal admin interest in there.

Anyway, if a member representative is what we need, then a representative we shall have!

I will set up a vote for this, but I need candidates. JerWA? Sir Hamster? Furry? Me? Those interested enough to still be reading this post can just add candidates here, and I'll set up the vote in about a week or so.

And this does not solve the issue of the new forum category Razz
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 4:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can understand the admin's reluctance to give anyone else rights to do anything on the forum, before you now it everyone will have admin rights and the forum will get broken.

However I don't understand what appears to be indifference (percieved on my part, please correct me if I am wrong - it is early here (5:45 AM)) on the part of the admins to some suggestions that were obviously not silly (as this "loonie/loony/loonie" forum tends to get), and that a poll should be set up to see what people might want. Sorry, but it does seem like a "go away, you're bothering me" move.

If the admins are serious about having a point person for forum recommendations, they should appoint one and let that person start taking suggestions and sort them out. Then when the serious suggestions are brought to the admins, action should be taken on their part.

If he is up to the task I will recommend JerWa to the position of Point Person.

I will also set up a poll now, to see what people think about changes.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 5:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mohrorless wrote:
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If he is up to the task I will recommend JerWa to the position of Point Person.
<snip>

At this point in the game trying to keep me in the mix is just a guaranteed way to nix any success you might have. I'm obsessive, aggressively outspoken, and bitter about the whole experience. I'm also on the bad side of the administration here, and not for just these reasons. If there is really going to be any change, any quorum from the users here, it should be upbeat and positive in nature; not a collection of gripes and perceived short comings. The person organizing things should be motivated and not believe that it's an endeavor doomed to failure before it's onset. That pretty much excludes me on every point. I guess I'll have to go use my powers for evil now or something.

Back to the point, bearing that they might not want anything to do with the responsibility involved, I nominate the bunny with the point teeth (that's Killerrabbit btw).
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 7:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Uncracked head on for a minute:-

I would support the bunny for a contact point between the users and the admins, although personally speaking any time I've contacted anybody about something serious on the forum I've always got a response in fairly quick time.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 8:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jonnyv wrote:
The problem is not getting the code changes done once it becomes clear what you lot want. The problem is getting clarity on what it is that you want. Hardly anyone's ever serious around here, so what's needed is someone to sort out what's a serious request, and what's not.


Hardly ever serious?!? In the old days a comment like that would have lead to a storm of posts about penguins, sheep, llamas, alpacas, bocahal, fermented herring, radioactive aardvarks, skyhooks, and the proper misspelling of certain words. This board is downright tame nowadays. Smile

Mildew wrote:
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Anyway, if a member representative is what we need, then a representative we shall have!

I will set up a vote for this, but I need candidates. JerWA? Sir Hamster? Furry? Me? Those interested enough to still be reading this post can just add candidates here, and I'll set up the vote in about a week or so. ...


Not me please. I'm busy enough splitting threads I barely have enough time to split hairs (or hares), much less correct people misspellings of the word Looney.
Now I'll go see what this Poll Mildew set up is about ...

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 10:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mohrorless wrote:

If the admins are serious about having a point person for forum recommendations, they should appoint one and let that person start taking suggestions and sort them out. Then when the serious suggestions are brought to the admins, action should be taken on their part.

If he is up to the task I will recommend JerWa to the position of Point Person.

I will also set up a poll now, to see what people think about changes.


Given that you set up a poll, you seem to be the front runner for Point Person.
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There's nothing like a pressed man for the job.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 11:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This looks like this conversation is taking a turn to the serious (and I am not the one responsible for that Rolling Eyes ).

Now here is the story about evil penguins taking over the world, radioactive aardvarks trying to find a job. The delights of fermented herring, weird Portugese dishes that make people sick (like the national dish of Portugal). Also everyone knows the only correct way to spell LOONEY is LOONIEYTYDSN (rest of the letters are silent).

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Ahh! the lesser wornott tribe tradional spelling. although just to the North of them is the kan-na-doo-iit tribe who subtitute the second "y" for a "z" and can only use the word to describe a woman in her thirties with a lemon stuck up her left nostril.
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