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Mildew
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 Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 11:59 am Post subject: Time to have a go at the tool of the Devil! |
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Ok, so the exodus from Folding got me thinking about joining the cool guys over at Boinc...
I have some questions though. Maybe there is a FAQ somewhere, but faq it, I'll just ask here instead.
How do I change project resource allocation? I can't seem to find this option in the Boinc manager...
Can I set up the client to run one project 100% and then keep some other project as fallback, so the client can roll over on the fallback if the main project fails?
What projects are using special optimized clients, and how do I install them?
Is there a boinc manager where I can watch the status of several computers (like Electron Microscope in Folding), and will this manager be able to change resource allocation on all my clients from a single computer?
Will any such manager handle mixed Windows-Linux environments?
If I install Boinc on a dual core computer, will it make use of both cores automatically?
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| Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 1:05 pm Post subject: Re: Time to have a go at the tool of the Devil! |
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| Mildew wrote: | Ok, so the exodus from Folding got me thinking about joining the cool guys over at Boinc...
I have some questions though. Maybe there is a FAQ somewhere, but faq it, I'll just ask here instead.
How do I change project resource allocation? I can't seem to find this option in the Boinc manager... |
It's on the project prefs page.
| Quote: | | Can I set up the client to run one project 100% and then keep some other project as fallback, so the client can roll over on the fallback if the main project fails? |
Set the 1 project to 99 and the other to 1. When the 99 project fails, 1 will have 100%
| Quote: | | What projects are using special optimized clients, and how do I install them? |
Seti, but unsure on install.
| Quote: | Is there a boinc manager where I can watch the status of several computers (like Electron Microscope in Folding), and will this manager be able to change resource allocation on all my clients from a single computer?
Will any such manager handle mixed Windows-Linux environments? |
Unknown.
| Quote: | | If I install Boinc on a dual core computer, will it make use of both cores automatically? |
Yes.
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| Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 1:06 pm Post subject: Re: Time to have a go at the tool of the Devil! |
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| Mildew wrote: | | If I install Boinc on a dual core computer, will it make use of both cores automatically? |
It's a lot of questions, some which I'd be interested in seeing the answers to.
Maybe I can answer this one for you. In general preferences you can select "On multiprocessors, use at most X processors". I have this set to 2 and since I have hyperthreading it will always download two tasks if I use a computer with hyperthreading or dual core.
This can be annoying as you get two when sometimes you only wanted one, and you can't set this differently for different projects - they all get the same setting based on your last change.
Even when set at 2, you will only get one WU when downloading on a single core.
Edit - Dagger's answer said it more succinctly, well done lad!
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JerWA
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| Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 5:51 pm Post subject: Re: Time to have a go at the tool of the Devil! |
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| Mildew wrote: | Is there a boinc manager where I can watch the status of several computers (like Electron Microscope in Folding), and will this manager be able to change resource allocation on all my clients from a single computer?
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The only one I know of, and the one I'm using, is BOINCView. http://boincview.amanheis.de/
You will need to read the install guide, it's not hard, there's just zero chance you've accidentally set up your clients for it already hehe.
| Mildew wrote: | | Will any such manager handle mixed Windows-Linux environments? |
Yep, makes no difference to the manager.
| Mildew wrote: | | If I install Boinc on a dual core computer, will it make use of both cores automatically? |
Yep, by default the setting mentioned above "use at most x processors" is set to 2. You cannot set it per-project because it's for BOINC, not the project. If you set it to 1, BOINC will only ever run one task at a time, no matter how many projects you have. If you set it to 2, it will run whichever projects need time in order to meet their resource allocation. Even with 2 projects, you will not run one work unit from each project all the time, it will occasionally switch around and run 2 of a project to even out resource time. Since projects are per-machine, you can assign 2 projects to a dual-core with both at 100% allocation.
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| Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 10:15 pm Post subject: |
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And more specifically on the setting resources you can set up different settings on your main boinc account page. So lets say you have 4 machines and you want 2 to follow one set of rules and two to follow another. You can set up one set as say 'Home Rules' and it will use the allocations for home.(Say maybe 20 percent seti, 80 percent rosetta) and the others could be set up in an entirely different matter. Later changes to home would effect both machines assigned to the home setting. Defaults I think are home, work and general but you can create other names I believe if you wish. Explored it but didnt worry about it to much yet.
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Mildew
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| Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 4:59 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for all the answers!
My first few Rosetta shrubs have arrived.
I will ease in to this a bit at a time. If it works out okay I will be moving a main part of my shrubbers over to boinc. (Going slow will also give more time for tanuting on my way up the charts  )
I'll try the BOINCView thingy one I get more clients running.
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| Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 7:06 am Post subject: |
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BOINCView is extremely handy. I thought development of it had stalled, and then a rash of updates recently proved me wrong. I am currently using the 1.4.2 beta 7 release and very happy with it. I took some screen shots to show the latest version (my config is a lil diff from stock, so the colors & fonts may not agree with you hehe)
The images are the size of the actual app, shrinking them fuzzed the text so I left them original sized. Your browser should resize them to fit, but if they're not legible be sure to click 'em to zoom in hehe.
My happy farm, all playing nice w/BOINCView again (you can see the drastically different amount of info provided by the different BOINC client versions too):
http://www.all-racing.com/images/kwsn/BView_142b7_Hosts.jpg
The mess of projects (I sync CPID's from my machine, that's why it's got a suspended account on every project):
http://www.all-racing.com/images/kwsn/BView_142b7_Projects.jpg
Busy busy bees:
http://www.all-racing.com/images/kwsn/BView_142b7_Tasks.jpg
There's a few rambling guides online about how to set it up with VPN tunnels to also hit remote hosts as well. I'm debating doing that to the two renegade hosts I have on the lose in the world, and maybe to my old network in Texas that is still intact (mmm, 9 more hosts waiting to be borg'd!).
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| Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 8:23 am Post subject: |
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What is the advantage of Boincview?
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| Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 9:35 am Post subject: |
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It let's you do everything the BOINC Manager does, including pausing work, suspending projects, adding and removing projects, cancling work units, reporting work units, updating projects, etc all from one centralized location. In my case, it's to help me avoid having to go upstairs to my roommates house to tamper with BOINC, and to avoid having to go 50' the other direction to get to that PC too.
And, hopefully soon, I will be setting up a VPN tunnel to my old network in Texas and bringing all of those machines online too. Real-time monitoring of computers 2,200 miles away = handy. Much handier than having to log into each computer one by one via the BOINC manager!
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| Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 9:51 am Post subject: |
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| Mildew wrote: | | My first few Rosetta shrubs have arrived. |
Glad to have another bitch as part of my Rosetta harem of ho's. The more the better  ! However, if you pass me in the Rosetta standings, I'll beat your ass senseless with my cane  !
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| Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 9:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Defaults I think are home, work and general but you can create other names I believe if you wish. |
Unless they changed them recently the names are "Home", "School", and "Work". you can use different names but Boinc Manager will not recognize them. Additionally I believe that they are case sensitive.
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Mildew
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| Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 12:35 am Post subject: |
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It's time for some really old thread resurrection! 
Since none of you probably check the stats down at 1000:th place, you probably haven't noticed this historical event that shall forever be known as The Arrival of Mildew 
Basically, I just finally got around to making the switch from Folding to BOINC. 
There are a lot of projects out there, and just a few worth running, so for now it is just Rosetta and RieselSieve that I'll be running.
However, I have claimed a spot in the overall top 100 RAC, and I'm not leaving! 
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| Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 5:05 am Post subject: |
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Congrats and welcome to the Boinc World!
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How did it go setting up BoincView??
I messed around with and could not get to work, so I just gave up. Not a big deal as I no longer have any remotes, just the 4 right next to me.
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| Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 10:39 am Post subject: |
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Mildew you do not have to run every project at least once like I do.
Great now the stats will smell like mildew.
Why not try out PrimeGrid, it is similar to RiselSieve, and a few other genome projects out there besides Rosetta.
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| Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 12:08 am Post subject: |
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| Sir Papa Smurph wrote: | How did it go setting up BoincView??
I messed around with and could not get to work, so I just gave up. Not a big deal as I no longer have any remotes, just the 4 right next to me. |
I don't have any remote machines either. Just the ones sitting in my living room. So I never got around to try BoincView.
Wabbit: We shall see, maybe I will make it my goal in life to stomp you in every single project out there!  
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| Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 1:05 am Post subject: |
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Good luck I am a BOINC whore for projects.
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I can't remember the exact problem, I think I needed comp names or address or something and I couldn't figure what it was asking for. I am not really all that adept at computers, especially when it comes to network things. I am kinda like a test pilot, I just keep trying something different until I plow into the ground............
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