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BUMP!!!!
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Brother M.......Last chance to get your horses moving before I steamroll them into oblivion.....
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| Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 2:45 am Post subject: |
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I'm just giving him plenty of warning that he is about to be the bug on my windshield...
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| Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 7:37 am Post subject: |
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| mohrorless wrote: | | I'm just giving him plenty of warning that he is about to be the bug on my windshield... |
I don't think he cares...... no work since Dec 2005... maybe he mis handled the Holy Hand Grenade!
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| Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 7:39 am Post subject: |
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Oh well. Warning was given. Of to see who is next (after I finish passing him).
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Cut back to a couple of PCs and we will see wht your RAC becomes!
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| Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 6:33 pm Post subject: |
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For what it's worth, I already have.
- I lost one in Canada, it errored every work unit. Reinstalled BOINC, it worked for 3 days, and went back to erroring everything, regardless of the project. He got sick of it and uninstalled BOINC until/if he gets a new machine.
- My P4 1.3 locally has been cut from 24/7 to ~4-6 hrs a day.
- The Internet has been down three times this week, which locked up one of my Core 2s BOINC client. Didn't get to reset it until today, so it lost a full days work (just sitting idle, unable to upload or download for no reason).
- Don't forget that I've replaced my motherboard, graphics card, sound card, and hard drive (complete with 2 full software rebuilds) in the last 60 days on this machine too, contributing even more down time.
edit: - Let's not forget that I blew my upgrade budget staying out of prison for tax evasion, too. Rat fink bastards, I avoided those taxes fair and square!
So I'm trying to help you out. What have YOU done lately? Added any machines? Overclocked your toaster? Fed your cat to your CD drive? Anything? Beuller?
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Welllllll, I did try to borg a machine temporarily at work....unfortunately the b@st@rd that quit left his password protection on and didn't leave a list of them (where I could find it anyway). It would have gotten me about 2 weeks shrubbing at most, but those would have been good weeks as this machine is a monster.....I'm not sure what has happened to it since then, but I do believe it was wiped and that is the end of that.
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| mohrorless wrote: | | I'm just giving him plenty of warning that he is about to be the bug on my windshield... |
ROFL!
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Would you believe that I am a total of 13 points behind him? It will have to wait until tomorrow.
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| mohrorless wrote: | | Would you believe that I am a total of 13 points behind him? It will have to wait until tomorrow. |
It's nonsense like that that got me to put the Celery online. I would see that I would be behind like 8 people by one point.
I've since decided that the 25 RAC wasn't worth the heat and electricity.
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I've got a 7+ year old P2 600 sitting on a desk behind me collecting dust. It's running 98SE with all the available service packs and updates. It is being held solely for the kids to surf and play games.
On SETI classic it shrubbed just fine, but since the inception of BOINC, it won't boost the credit enough to justify the heat or electric either.
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Yeah, the only project worth it on old machines is SETI with the optimized app. But by old machines I mean like... anything P4 or better but below Core 2 lol. Anything pre P4 is a waste of time. But even old P4s are good. The P4 1.3 with the optimized app out-crunches an AMD XP3500! It's still slated for a shallow grave sooner or later, as I'd like to get everything multi-core, even if it's on the P4s.
http://boincstats.com/stats/host_graph.php?pr=sah&id=2973744
^ 160/day when it gets to run 24/7. That's not very often any more though. 
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Realistically, it's hard for any old system to be justified when you really look at it.
Using the P4 1.3 example, that CPU is pulling a 39.8 amp load (max) and 51.6 watts (>1 volt), with an operational temperature up to 70C. The Core2 6400 is pulling a 75 amp load (max) but only 65 watts (<1 volt), with an operational temperature up to 61C. The Core 2 is doing roughly 10x the work (assumption based on 160/day SETI optimized app on the P4 vs 800/day from the same app from a single core of my 6400), for only a marginal increase in power consumption, and a decrease in required cooling.
That's why I think the P4 1.3 (the first P4 btw) is about where I'd set the basement. If you can't pull >100/day, chances are that it's not worth it, because you're still using a ton of power (hasn't changed much over the years). Why have power supplies gotten bigger then? Video cards, hard drives, etc. My Core 2 6400 has a 375 watt PSU and works just fine. There are 1,200 watt PSUs on the market now... and the only setup that needs them is the AMD QuadFX with SLI.
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Reminds me of my wife right about now.
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| JerWA wrote: | Yeah, the only project worth it on old machines is SETI with the optimized app. But by old machines I mean like... anything P4 or better but below Core 2 lol. Anything pre P4 is a waste of time. But even old P4s are good. The P4 1.3 with the optimized app out-crunches an AMD XP3500! It's still slated for a shallow grave sooner or later, as I'd like to get everything multi-core, even if it's on the P4s.
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The big surprise for me has been my old, Netfinity file server. It has four P III 500 (or 550, I forget which) Xeons for goodness sake. Yet, before it blew up, it was up to 300+ RAC. Of course, I'm running optimized SETI mostly (though lately I've been running 3 CPUs on SETI and one on Leiden).
Anyway, I attribute the performance to the 1 MB L2 cache in each Xeon. Not notable by today's standards, and I imagine it was pretty amazing back when the CPU's were new.
I'm planning to keep it running, to use as (surprise!) a file server for my home network when I finally get it finished. I have a NFR copy of Server 2K3 for it, which is why I bought the original (stripped down) box it to start with (for a whole $5!). There was no way I was going to register that OS to just any old computer I had lying around.
So, I know it's not particularly power efficient, and I get a real kick out of it. It's huge, it's ridiculously heavy, and what isn't redundant is multiple, and almost everything (including most of the fans and even the circuit boards) is hot-swappable. It's also a good example of how to cool something without using a dozen, noisy fans. It's no HTPC by any stretch of the imagination, and it's not that loud, and doesn't seem to put out all that much heat.
I have spare CPUs and VRMs. I wish I could get my hands on another box.
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I've always wanted to build a cube myself. I don't know if they still make the old monster cube case, but I know FrozenCPU has a more modern iteration that's designed for one system. The monster cube was designed to run twin failover servers in one box. Basically 2 server cases with the side cut off and welded together (except much higher quality hehe). 4 PSUs, 2 motherboards, one central hardware monitoring setup. It was very pimp, and very expensive, hence why I never got one.
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/5244/cst-472/Lian-Li_PC-343B_Modular_Aluminum_Cube_Case_-_Black.html#blank
Kinda like that monster, but meant for 2 full systems.
http://www.thermaltake.com/product/Chassis/fulltower/mozart_tx/MozartTX.htm
There's one that will do 2 systems, but the second has to be microatx blah.
http://www.calpc.com/catalog/large_server.html
^ bet that isn't cheap, but that's what I want haha. Here's a build with one:
http://www.extrememhz.com/e5ncInst1-p1.shtml
Edit: Could just use these too. Modular racks FTW!
http://www.rackmountsolutions.net/Portable_Server_Racks_Cabinets/Server_Rack_Modular.asp
Get the 12U setup and put 3 4Us in it, w00!
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| JerWA wrote: | I've always wanted to build a cube myself. I don't know if they still make the old monster cube case, but I know FrozenCPU has a more modern iteration that's designed for one system. The monster cube was designed to run twin failover servers in one box. Basically 2 server cases with the side cut off and welded together (except much higher quality hehe). 4 PSUs, 2 motherboards, one central hardware monitoring setup. It was very pimp, and very expensive, hence why I never got one.
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I hear you That's all very cool stuff.
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