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PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 2:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, I wonder if it's some kind've record to have (legitimately) borgd machines on 2 continents and in 3 countries. Probably not, so I'll have to try harder.

Still no love from my old Texas network. I'll keep trying, but it doesn't look good. The "admin" there now is a flake and a half (probably because he's 11 years old hehe).

So I'll content myself with the setup I've got now, and work towards upgrade/expanding the machines I can.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 5:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Still no love from my old Texas network. I'll keep trying, but it doesn't look good. The "admin" there now is a flake and a half (probably because he's 11 years old hehe).


Well send him to bed without supper......then get to work.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 6:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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My Quad is finally on line. Mac OS x is a PAIN if you have never used it before. I finally gave up, enabled the root user account and setup the network by hand (the only way to get BoincView to see the box.


Been there - I had to tweak the network configuration my linux box somewhat to get it to connect to the network.

Just curious - were you previously familiar with linux? I'm not being insulting here, I just wonder how much OSX differs from your basic, GNU linux. I've used Macs, but never an OSX Mac, so I don't have a clue what they're like.

I've never even experimented with BoincView. I suppose I should give it a try.


The Mac OS is probably closer to FreeBSD or standard Unix than GNU, but it is similar. It handles the disks differently and the network just slightly differently. My major complaint with OS x is it hides so much of the functionality from the user (keeps "dumb users" out of trouble however). My major problem was just getting /etc/hosts setup, Mac wants everything to be .local, whereas I needed everything to be .CES-ENG. Secondary problem was the disk usage, they kind of force you to use their directory structure, not a bad one, but I have 30 years worth of bad habits that I'm not giving up (Directory usage/structures, file positioning, etc).
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 6:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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RAC now 900+, waiting to see what it will end up at.


Should be 1200+, easy.


Mac Pro RAC is 1815 and still climbing fast.
It has racked up over 24,000 credits in it's first week.
I'm thinking it will settle in the 3000-4000 range.
Maybe I'll hold off on getting mad at it and converting it from a quad to a V8.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 6:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Should take delivery of another AMD 2214 CPU to go into my dual socket MoBo today , to give me another un-true quad system .
Single dual core 2214 gave me 85 + points/day in PiSegment Cool - dual AMD MP 1800+ gave me 20+ points day Embarassed (State of Bleedin' edge only 3 years ago !!) .
Also arriving is a second MoBo (Asus KFN32-D SLI) , c\w 4 Giggles and 2 more AMD 2214's .
These Baby's TRASH the Intel offerings , ('specially on price Shocked ) , and the MoBo's are allready set up for the True Quad core AMD CPU's (WHEN GRIZZ can GET some - waiting now 2 months from my suplier #Mad - promised in April , before official releaase , to test } .
Soon I should be able to replace my farm with just ONE box !!! Very Happy Very Happy

Boastin' Grizz Very Happy (Regds)

PS Might try the new one on BOINC to see RAC - any suggestions as to which project ??
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 2:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pah!!!!

Forget quads.... Octals.... that's the way to go


http://www.boincstats.com/stats/boinc_host_graph.php?pr=bo&id=2601525

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try riesel sieve.... give's good RAC!


http://boinc.rieselsieve.com/
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 9:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

KWSN - Sir Brian C....... wrote:
Pah!!!!

Forget quads.... Octals.... that's the way to go

http://boinc.rieselsieve.com/


As soon as the price comes down on the Xeon x5355's my quad will be a V-8.
Those are 2.66 GHz quads. They are still going for $1000+ a copy. If they come down to the $500 range, I'll jump. $2000 is just too much money for an upgrade. Until then I just have to dream.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 7:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ohiomike wrote:
KWSN - Sir Brian C....... wrote:
Pah!!!!

Forget quads.... Octals.... that's the way to go

http://boinc.rieselsieve.com/


As soon as the price comes down on the Xeon x5355's my quad will be a V-8.
Those are 2.66 GHz quads. They are still going for $1000+ a copy. If they come down to the $500 range, I'll jump. $2000 is just too much money for an upgrade. Until then I just have to dream.



not sure if the xeons will ever drop in price substantially... As most of them are shipped in servers, there's a very small retail market for the individual chips.... you're better off waiting for the penryn based quads.....

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 7:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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not sure if the xeons will ever drop in price substantially... As most of them are shipped in servers, there's a very small retail market for the individual chips.... you're better off waiting for the penryn based quads.....

Ni!

Patience I have. I'm kind of tied to the socket 771 (Xeon) uP's on the Mac, but I hope the prices on the current Xeon Quads will drop when the new more energy efficient chips come out.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 11:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JerWA wrote:

Still no love from my old Texas network. I'll keep trying, but it doesn't look good. The "admin" there now is a flake and a half (probably because he's 11 years old hehe).


The thought of my 14 year old being an "admin" makes me shudder, though that's because he has essentially no intellectual curiosity as far as computers go.

If he didn't look so much like me, I would surely wonder. Laughing
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 11:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Patience I have. I'm kind of tied to the socket 771 (Xeon) uP's on the Mac, but I hope the prices on the current Xeon Quads will drop when the new more energy efficient chips come out.


Oh, you can pretty much bet on it. There might be a bit of an aftermarket, based on some people having to have the latest toy out on the bleeding edge of technology. This might actually one of those cases where ebay is a good place to get CPUs

I can't even imagine how many thousands of dollars a my ancient, IBM Netfinity server cost when it was new. Heck, just the Xeon processors probably cost some money. Just think what it was like to have 1MB L2 cache when most CPUs had, at most, about 1/4 that or less.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 11:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah but some things drop very very slowly in price. Xeons are one of those things, as are the Core 2 Extremes. All the Core 2s have dropped by half, at least, and some more than that. In the same time frame the QX6700 has dropped about $3 in price.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 11:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

KWSN - Sir Brian C....... wrote:
Pah!!!!

Forget quads.... Octals.... that's the way to go


You go, sir Brian!

KWSN - Sir Brian C....... wrote:

try riesel sieve.... give's good RAC!


Have to remember that one.

On another subject, I just wanted to thank you again for your fool-proof, consolidate spurious CPIDs technique that you told me about. For a while there, I had 3 of 5 projects missing from the correct CPIDs, with some thousands of credits gone missing with them. I just applied your trick and I'm pretty much in one piece, though KWSN and that new site both think I have two Netfinity servers yet. I'm thinking that once I get the service packs reinstalled, those sites may figure it out.

I had to put humpty (the Netfinity) back together again (so to speak), because I had a power outage, and I think the battery backup on my RAID controller is bad, so it ended up completely trashing three RAID arrays. Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 11:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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These Baby's TRASH the Intel offerings , ('specially on price Shocked )


I just knew it! #ni-2
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 11:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ohiomike wrote:


The Mac OS is probably closer to FreeBSD or standard Unix than GNU, but it is similar. It handles the disks differently and the network just slightly differently.


That explains a lot. Thanks.

ohiomike wrote:

My major complaint with OS x is it hides so much of the functionality from the user (keeps "dumb users" out of trouble however).


Reminds me of Ubuntu, which wouldn't necessarily have been my first choice. It's just the first of quite a number of distros that I tried that I could get to work.


ohiomike wrote:

My major problem was just getting /etc/hosts setup,



Ignorant n00b question: does this file serve the same function as the Windoze file with the same name?

ohiomike wrote:

Secondary problem was the disk usage, they kind of force you to use their directory structure, not a bad one, but I have 30 years worth of bad habits that I'm not giving up (Directory usage/structures, file positioning, etc).


Three decades ago, the Mac was no better than the stuff of Steve Jobs' fevered dreams. I would say that your way is the right way.

ohiomike wrote:

PS- If you want to play with BoincView, use V1.4x, the V1.5 beta is "not ready for prime-time".


Thanks for the heads up. I'll remember that.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 11:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lloyd M. wrote:
ohiomike wrote:

My major problem was just getting /etc/hosts setup,

Ignorant n00b question: does this file serve the same function as the Windoze file with the same name?

Yep, it started in *nix and became just another feature Microsoft "borrowed."
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 11:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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As for shrubbing, I'm not wealthy enough to have a box just for shrubbing. I do, however, play games. My justification, therefore, is my uber gaming rig, and whatever parts I replace go into my girlfriends computer.


In my original response, I had meant "you" in the general sense, not you specifically. My point is that if you build a shrubber using a mobo with onboard-everything, it's obviously going to be a lot cheaper than if you feel like it's even not worth building if it doesn't have an 8800GTS on it.

I totally appreciate where you're coming from, especially since you clearly have good taste in video card chipsets (at last! - something we can agree on)

The other thing that's really hit home with me, given the high ambient temperatures I've been contending with lately, is how much cooler a stripped-down system runs. Sure the Opty puts out some heat, and so does the NForce4 SLI mobo, the PCIE gamers video card (albeit a low-end video card, but it puts out a lot more heat than a built-in video chipset would), and maybe even the hard drive (compared to the ancient PATA drive I'm running on the linux box).

I mean, it just can't be that the old IBM Aptiva case, with just one fan added, is solely responsible for the near 30C CPU temperature drop I'm seeing on the cheapie mobo versus the exact same chip when it was in my good rig.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 10:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JerWA wrote:
Lloyd M. wrote:
ohiomike wrote:

My major problem was just getting /etc/hosts setup,

Ignorant n00b question: does this file serve the same function as the Windoze file with the same name?

Yep, it started in *nix and became just another feature Microsoft "borrowed."


Figures. #ni-1

One of my favorite tricks with that file is to use it as a popup blocker. You can just refer troublesome domains to 127.0.0.1
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 3:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

How about dual socket F quad opterons from AMD. Due out this week!
Mean time my q6600 is here and once the power supply is fixed( don't ask) will be shrubbing away!
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 6:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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How about dual socket F quad opterons from AMD. Due out this week!
Mean time my q6600 is here and once the power supply is fixed( don't ask) will be shrubbing away!


I won't ask, though I will say that what I thought was a PSU issue has turned out to most likely be a bent CPU pin.

Had't heard of the Quad Opterons. Maybe I can find a review somewhere.
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