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Lloyd M.
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 Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 4:13 pm Post subject: "hating on AMD is fun" |
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| JerWA wrote: | | Eh? What's that go to do with team Crunchy? Besides, hating on AMD is fun. I've got one, but it's outnumbered hehe. |
Well, I thought we were all in this together (chasing team Crunchy, in this instance), and I thought this team was open to everyone. I don't remember seeing anything about a requirement to run a certain brand of CPU.
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KWSN - Sir Brian C.......
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| Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 6:37 pm Post subject: |
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Lloyd M.
the only pre-requisite for this team is you have to be a total loonie to join in the first place....
JerWa's totally irrational AMD bashing is just his way of demonstrating his nuttiness in public..... please just humour him... the nurse with the drugs will be along soon enough to calm him down....
all that matters is every shrub is sacred, irrespective of where it comes from... we've even got people running seti on their own builds of HP-UX.... how crazy is that!
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Sir Papa Smurph
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| Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 7:51 pm Post subject: |
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Well up until Core 2 Duo, Amd was making Intel beg for its mommy. However now you can't argue with the benchmarks, Intel's top chip beats the pants off AMD's top chip in every single catagory. That said, All my machines are AMD. I have 5 in this room and of my Borged machines only one is Intel and that Prescott gets spanked by my 2500 Barton.
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Lloyd M.
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| Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 8:07 pm Post subject: AMD bashing |
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Thanks Sir Brian and Sir Papa Smurf. I needed that. 
I don't dispute that Intel is whipping AMD right now, right up and down the line, as far as raw performance goes. My point is more about price/performance. In my experience, AMD has always beat Intel in that regard. For a while there, especially for games, cheaper AMD chips were just plain beating the equivalent Intel chips like a bongo drum.
Just for grins, I had a look at CPU's on NewEgg (where I bought mine). E6400's seemed to be going for anywhere between 50% and 75% of approximately what I have in my whole rig.
Something else I noticed - dual-core Opterons have gotten pretty affordable (not as cheap as FX2's but still not at all bad). I may need to save my pennies and dimes for a bit longer (provided my mobo will support the Opteron), because they have 1MX2 L2 cache, instead of 512k X2 like the FX2's
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KWSN - Sir Brian C.......
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| Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 8:28 pm Post subject: Re: AMD bashing |
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| Lloyd M. wrote: | Thanks Sir Brian and Sir Papa Smurf. I needed that.
I don't dispute that Intel is whipping AMD right now, right up and down the line, as far as raw performance goes. My point is more about price/performance. In my experience, AMD has always beat Intel in that regard. For a while there, especially for games, cheaper AMD chips were just plain beating the equivalent Intel chips like a bongo drum.
Just for grins, I had a look at CPU's on NewEgg (where I bought mine). E6400's seemed to be going for anywhere between 50% and 75% of approximately what I have in my whole rig.
Something else I noticed - dual-core Opterons have gotten pretty affordable (not as cheap as FX2's but still not at all bad). I may need to save my pennies and dimes for a bit longer (provided my mobo will support the Opteron), because they have 1MX2 L2 cache, instead of 512k X2 like the FX2's |
it's not just a price/performace thing when buying the thing... it's also how much power the system uses running @ 100% 24/7 and then the cost of getting rid of the heat produced, ie A/C.... that's where intel have AMD licked on all counts at the moment....
to put it into perspective my E6300 system produces 25% more work than my AMD 4200 x2, uses 100 watts less power to do so and about runs about 20'C cooler...
http://www.boincstats.com/stats/boinc_host_stats.php?pr=bo&st=0&userid=61638cf6a7d868f03c44906a1e902ef6
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Lloyd M.
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| Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 9:59 pm Post subject: Re: AMD bashing |
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| KWSN - Sir Brian C....... wrote: |
it's not just a price/performace thing when buying the thing... it's also how much power the system uses running @ 100% 24/7 and then the cost of getting rid of the heat produced, ie A/C.... that's where intel have AMD licked on all counts at the moment....
to put it into perspective my E6300 system produces 25% more work than my AMD 4200 x2, uses 100 watts less power to do so and about runs about 20'C cooler...
http://www.boincstats.com/stats/boinc_host_stats.php?pr=bo&st=0&userid=61638cf6a7d868f03c44906a1e902ef6
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Well, like the man says, you pays your money, and you takes your choice. I'm not worried about the heat load (we don't have A/C, and seldom feel the need for it, in this climate), and I'd rather pay for even 100W more power consumption over the life of the CPU, than have to pay 2-3 times as much up front for the CPU itself.
But that's just me. I can certainly see a great deal of logic in your approach.
I'll admit that it seems like that E6300 is a real hoss though. Good for you and Intel, for that matter. They've pulled off a real coup with that whole line of CPU's.
I think there are some newer AMD CPUs that use a lot less power, though they may be all socket AM2 (that's something I'll check on as I'm shopping). I think they are even being called "65W" (or at least some of them).
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Lloyd M.
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| Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 10:03 pm Post subject: |
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| KWSN - Sir Brian C....... wrote: | Lloyd M.
...all that matters is every shrub is sacred, irrespective of where it comes from... we've even got people running seti on their own builds of HP-UX.... how crazy is that!
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I forgot to comment on this.
Yes, that is truly nutty. Must be a systems guy. I had some mainframe systems guys tell me about their inside, running joke that you just lock them in a room and feed them some raw meat occasionally.
Whomever (or whatever team of people) came up with that HP-UX build sounds like a real hacker in the original (true) sense. I am impressed!
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JerWA
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I never said you couldn't run an AMD. You just jumped into a thread about team Crunchy, for an app that isn't even CPU intensive, to take a stand against AMD abuse. What difference does it make what CPU you're using when we're talking about an app that crunches bandwidth? It seems you completely and utterly hijacked the thread. Then again, what can you expect from an AMD user. 
As for being in the top 10 per day for our team, aren't there only like 11 active users?
PS: I still run an AMD rig in my farm, and it used to be my computer. Just as the AMD 64 3k in Texas was, as were my last 5 or 6 computers. I'm no AMD hater, and I have no interest in brand loyalty. I'm using an Intel now because it's more effective for what I wanted to do, end of story. It's only bashing if it's based on opinion, rather than fact. Therefor, I am not an AMD basher.
PS: The other half of my l33tsig IS my AMD box (it happens to be my g/fs computer right now, sitting on the desk next to mine):
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Mildew
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Holy crap! 
You turn away for five seconds, and this braggin-about-crushing-the-munchers thread has turned into an AMD vs. Intel debate! 
It's a large forum. Start a new thread in the Round Table or something. 
1.65 days, and they haven't even started resisting yet? 
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JerWA
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That was my point lol. He started it though.
I joined MAJ12 just to help beat Team Crunchy (or about to be crunched). Once it became painfully obvious that they were whooped, I stopped MAJ12 so I could go back to downloading... err... other things. 
I don't think there's anyone left in Crunchy to resist us. Evidently only Guru actually cares, with the rest of their team only running it because they forgot they installed it long ago. 
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Lloyd M.
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| Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 9:20 pm Post subject: |
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| JerWA wrote: | I never said you couldn't run an AMD. You just jumped into a thread about team Crunchy, for an app that isn't even CPU intensive, to take a stand against AMD abuse. What difference does it make what CPU you're using when we're talking about an app that crunches bandwidth? It seems you completely and utterly hijacked the thread. Then again, what can you expect from an AMD user.
As for being in the top 10 per day for our team, aren't there only like 11 active users?
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Nothing like going out of your way to make a new guy feel welcome.
I'm not the one that started talking about CPUs on this thread; I just responded to a specific comment about a particular brand of CPU.
...and ask my poor, abused Celery 400 about whether MJ12 is CPU intensive.
All in all, I don't need this ******* grief. I have far better things to do with my time than to subject myself to this ad homineim nonsense.
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Lloyd M.
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| JerWA wrote: | | As for being in the top 10 per day for our team, aren't there only like 11 active users? |
BTW, try still number 10 out of 32 team members for today. No doubt with your vast experience and wisdom, you would know better than I how many of those users are "active". Perhaps there are only 11 active users from our team. I won't dispute this.
And how about 26th overall, all with a Celery 400 that refuses to shrub for more than a few hours at a time.
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| Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 10:38 pm Post subject: |
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Now now kids... don't make me pull this thread over! This is a glorious time for KWSN as we are within 7 million URLs of team crunchy! I believe it will happen today!
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ToeBee
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| Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 2:46 am Post subject: |
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| Under 5 million! |
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Fart in your gen direxion
I am the goatse.cx guy
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Circa 2 million  .
Im getting a chubby over this   !
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| Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 9:51 am Post subject: |
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| Under a million! Maybe 600,000 or so |
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And... we've done it!
PGGBs for all!
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5 Crunchers Inc 2,291,452,746 39,855,633
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| They made a crunchy sound when we rolled over them ! |
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KWSN - Sir Brian C.......
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not even a whimper in their forums........ onl;y added 400k myself.... but wohoo!...
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