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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 2:40 pm    Post subject: WCG Shrubber Reply with quote

Hi knights,

I would like to purchase a shrubber and dedicate it 100% to WCG. Finally found a store which at least partially understood what it is DC about. They sent me following offer, and I would like to know if you think this could shrub WCG 24/7 @ 100% CPU and GPU (and, of course, some other projects) and not ruin my family budget with very high power bills Rolling Eyes :

- MB: Intel® DH61BE soc.1155 iH61 DDR3 mATX USB 3.0 PCIe GL
- Processor: Intel Core i7-3770K Ivy Bridge 3.40GHz 8MB LGA1155 (or you think Intel Core i5-3570 Ivy Bridge 3.40GHz 6MB LGA1155 would be enough?)
- Cooler: Coolermaster Hyper 612S ,skt. 1155/1156/1366/775/AM2/AM3.silent 900-1300rpm
- RAM: Kingston 4GB DDR3 1333MHz CL9 Hyper X Blu (2x)
- GPU: ASUS HD7850-DC-1GD5 1GB/256-bit D-Sub, 2xDVI, HDMI, DP
- SSD: Kingston 120GB SSDNow V+ 200 Series SATA3, 2.5" Upgrade Bundle Kit Retail
- Case: CoolerMaster case miditower Elite 334U, ATX
- Power source: i-Tec Power Gamer 700W, active PFC
- OS: Win 7 Home Premium SP1 64-bit

WCG GPU crunching is possible on Wins only, but I would also like to be able to run Ubuntu in case I skip to other projects.

Thanks in advance for your opinions and I would warmly welcome any recommendation what to change in configuration
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 3:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you're worried about your electricity bill shooting through the roof, have you thought of a laptop. You'll need a cooling pad or something extra though.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 10:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm always a fan of building my own PCs. But it looks like that shrubber could shrub some shrubs.

Other things to consider...
The Ivy Bridges seem pretty good on power, but the ****K versions are overclockable. I'm not familiar with the iH61 motherboards but usually the H series cannot do overclocking, so paying for the extra of the ****K may be pointless. If you want to overclock, make sure your motherboard can do it, otherwise opt for the slightly cheaper, but just as powerful i7 3770.

The i7 CPUs give you 4 cores with up to 8 virtual cores. The i5 CPUs give you just the 4 cores.

If all you are are doing is BOINC, you won't need 120 gig of hard drive. But if you want to start adding other stuff, like games and heavy programs along with pictures and silly movies and drinking songs, you may want to add on a traditional hard drive for extra storage.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 6:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Concrete-mixing Moose wrote:
If you're worried about your electricity bill shooting through the roof, have you thought of a laptop. You'll need a cooling pad or something extra though.


IDK. I do not like laptops. And I am not sure if "mobility" surcharges included in laptops' prices are lower than electricity bills #ni-2

Anyway, thanks for hint Wink

stooper101 wrote:
I'm always a fan of building my own PCs. But it looks like that shrubber could shrub some shrubs.

Other things to consider...
The Ivy Bridges seem pretty good on power, but the ****K versions are overclockable. I'm not familiar with the iH61 motherboards but usually the H series cannot do overclocking, so paying for the extra of the ****K may be pointless. If you want to overclock, make sure your motherboard can do it, otherwise opt for the slightly cheaper, but just as powerful i7 3770.

The i7 CPUs give you 4 cores with up to 8 virtual cores. The i5 CPUs give you just the 4 cores.

If all you are are doing is BOINC, you won't need 120 gig of hard drive. But if you want to start adding other stuff, like games and heavy programs along with pictures and silly movies and drinking songs, you may want to add on a traditional hard drive for extra storage.


As I am technical anti-talent, any attempt to assembly PC by my own would probably end with a talking toaster. And as we all know, there is nothing more annoying than talking toaster. Even in next 3 million years #ni-1

I would probably go with non-overclockable CPU, just I am not sure yet if with i7 or i5 and you are right, for rig dedicated to BOINC only I will consider smaller disc. I case of (future) need of extra data storage, I can purchase some external or internal one.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 9:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bikermatt@SETIUSA just reported trouble with that cooler:
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[QUOTE=Bikermatt;50172]The cooler is a cooler master RR-H612-20PK-R3. It was running 80-90 c across all cores before I down clocked to 3GHz and cut back to 8 threads. After reading all of the reviews it looks like others have had the same problem. It just doesn't cool well and I would avoid it if you can.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103106


I think that's an older style case, only 2 or 3 fan mounts? I much prefer the Cooler Master HAF912:
http://www.microcenter.com/product/343331/HAF912_Mid_Tower_ATX_Computer_Case
Regularly $70, frequently on sale ~$50 here. (I know prices vary widely in other countries)

Probably want more RAM, seeing more projects with WUs needing ~1GB; WCG/CEP2, NFS@home. I don't know if I found the right MB, looks like only 2 RAM sockets supporting up to 4GB sticks, so no room for expansion?

I generally prefer an ATX board unless you really need to make a compact system. 4 RAM sockets, more expansion slots.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 2:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If it's purely for boinc, AMD has a new 16 core cpu. 115W.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113036&name=Processors-Servers

Have someone build you a unit around that. You can get a sever MB capable of holding 4 of these if you love giving money to the power company.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 4:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

But the MOBO is over $250.00 as well. You would be better off buying a reasonably priced Quad core and a couple really good Video cards....
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 5:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For purely shrub-crunchin', I'd go for a mobo with an i7 (8 WUs at once) and 1 GPU but with slots for more. See how much it costs to run, then add on cards as money (and spouse!) will allow. Lots of RAM too and would n't be too picky about hard-drive as it'll hardly be used (could use just a USB memory stick or a CD in fact).
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2012 3:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks knights, will take MOBO with 4 RAM slots (this one max is 16 GB on 2 slots) and one which allows adding at least 1 more GPU.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2012 1:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Look forward to seeing some crunchin' stats! #ni-1
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 1:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't expect miracles - it will shrub WCG Wink

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2012 6:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Brought it home today. My precious Smile

Took non-overclocable i7-3770 3.4 GHz with Cooler ARCTIC Freezer i30, ASUS HD7750 1GB, Cooler Master HAF 912 as Gemjunkie recommended, Mobo with 4 RAM slots, 32 GB max and slots for some more GPU's as you recommended (ASUS P8Z77-V LX) and smaller 60 GB SSD.

Thanks knights, you saved me lot of nerves I might lose with OP configuration (and this one is even cheaper Smile )

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2012 8:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks like it should be a quality shrubber! It's very similar to the one I'm planning.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2012 8:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The only minus is Windows on it #Mad
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2012 8:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

branjo wrote:
The only minus is Windows on it #Mad


Yeah Well, Too bad Linux still isn't ready for prime time. I wonder if they will ever get their schitt together...
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2012 11:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah - Linux is a great idea.
Far less overhead than Win, so...faster throughput.

Problem: not really user friendly yet. Ubuntu comes close, though.

Linux Mint is receiving quite a bit of attention.
It is supposed to be one of the most stable/reliable/efficient distros, but...
...that means it doesn't support a vast range of hardware.

I'm very much thinking I will be switching over to Linux when Win-7 support is dropped.
Win-8 seems horrid, and there's too much complaining from the "power-user" (and uber-geek) crowds that lend credence to known & potential short-comings.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2012 11:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't start giving me second thoughts. I am seriously considering skipping Windows and plopping the $100 back into components for my next build. After looking around at what I'm using, I really don't need anything from Windows.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2012 11:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

stooper101 wrote:
Don't start giving me second thoughts. I am seriously considering skipping Windows and plopping the $100 back into components for my next build. After looking around at what I'm using, I really don't need anything from Windows.



Oh Yeah, Just wait until you try to install the latest drivers for your video card to Linux. I tried for over a week the last time, I just quit & went back to Windoze....


Why can't anyone write a install program for Ubuntu?
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2012 5:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sir Papa Smurph wrote:
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Why can't anyone write a install program for Ubuntu?


NDA's...
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