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StarGal
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 Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 11:06 am Post subject: and now for something completely different F@H |
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This is directed to PToT,
I find this amazing!
Are you working on this project?
BTW, I did not find it on "Add a project" on BOINC.
Am I missing something? |
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Sir Cracked of the Mind
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| Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 12:58 pm Post subject: |
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If your in this team probably 100 IQ points  |
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Sir Papa Smurph
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| Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 1:31 pm Post subject: |
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I don't believe folding is Boinc. There are some other problems with the client as well. not many people do it but I know we have a team somewhere...
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Concrete-mixing Moose
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| Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 6:41 pm Post subject: |
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There's a long, messy, ugly story about F@H and Boinc trying to get together. It all came to a head when news of the attempted get together was leaked all over the Interweb by Folders.
Once apon a time KWSN were hotshots on F@H.
F@H is too big to run on Boinc now and makes sense to run seperately with the short turn around times on WUs. Just wish they'd sort out the credit system. For those with GPUs and/or multi-socket servers a good project to do.
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Putting_things_on_top
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| Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 6:44 pm Post subject: Re: and now for something completely different F@H |
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| StarGal wrote: | This is directed to PToT,
I find this amazing!
Are you working on this project?
BTW, I did not find it on "Add a project" on BOINC.
Am I missing something? |
F@H and BOINC had a "difference of opinion" some years back, so Stanford (F@H) decided to do their own thing.
There are a few of us F@H-ers here, but alas, the majority use BOINC.
BOINC has one obvious advantage: you can sign-up for multiple projects and (I believe) assign priorities or allocations to projects that you prefer.
Some of the projects available in BOINC actually run-out of work-units from time-to-time, so a "backup" strategy is there to keep your electrical meter spinning.
F@H is a single, stand-alone project. But since this project is so massive and multifaceted, they seemingly never run out of work units.
They have a brand-new, shiny client application that installs, and (if you accept all the 'defaults') will configure itself nicely.
It can downloaded from here: Stanford University F@H
I imagine that you might be more interested in SETI or other cosmology projects, though.
Many of the Knights will also advise you to choose projects that are meaningful or interesting to you.
Other Knights can help you out with how BOINC actually works.
F@H is not the only 'humanitarian' project; quite a few of the BOINC projects do remarkable work to help cure diseases, planning strategies to deliver clean water, prevent malaria outbreaks, etc.
F@H is really an exercise in bio-chemistry where they try to model the behavior & characteristics of various protein molecules as they undergo molecular-bond breaking & re-bonding (termed "folding").
The ultimate goal is to identify the processes by which certain proteins can be manipulated into potential cures, preventatives, or treatments for very horrendous human diseases such as Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, and many types of cancers.
I am a bit biased (or passionate) about F@H.
My father was a victim of both Alzheimer's and Parkinson's.
He had just turned 70 two weeks prior to his passing...that was 25+ years ago.
Early last year, my mother succumbed to colon cancer.
However her health had been steadily declining for the previous 5 years or so (mostly due to issues related to diabetes).
She passed on at age 86 (a reasonable age for her side of the family).
So, I figure...Whatever I can do to help put an end to these horrid diseases is certainly worth my effort and $.
It also helps to be "connected" to a team like this.
We provide each other with requisite doses of lunacy and outright silliness which acts a prophylactic against the rampant, inexorable spread of rationality & conventionalism.
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StarGal
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| Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 7:24 pm Post subject: |
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PToT,
Thank you for your reply.
I too have personal reasons to be interested in F@H.
Diseases that are "preventable", as we are best able, are one thing.
Auto-immune and neurological are another matter.
Are you a student/doctor/researcher on this project?
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LanDroid
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Putting_things_on_top
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| StarGal wrote: | | Are you a student/doctor/researcher on this project? |
No. I am a lowly systems programmer employed by one of the soul-less, greed-mongering mega corporations.
In college (under-grad), I started out as a chemistry major, but then I found I had a more natural affinity with computers.
F@H piqued my interest - quite by accident - when a discussion of 'new' computing technologies came up at work some few years back.
This discussion was about (the then relatively new) GPU computing architecture.
I went to the NVidia web-site to learn more.
There, they pointed-out a DC project called F@H, so (as we all do):- followed the "links"
- read most of the info there (the actual 'science' was far above my head, though
 ) - went out and bought an off-the-shelf GTS-250
- and started shrubbing in Sept 2009
There is an excellent corollary to the "as we all do" phenomenon elegantly illustrated here...The Problem with Wikipedia
Since 2009, I have built 2 shrubbing rigs, and by the end of this month I will have a 3rd rig (specs forthcoming in the Bragging Yard threads).
Anyway, I need to get back to the KWSN hydroponic-baboon lab...there are some suspicious odors seeping out that could interfere with efficacy of the loonie magnets.
This is the KWSN Orbiting Fortress after all! Not some cheap hovercraft that inevitably becomes overrun by eels!
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StarGal
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Thank you for giving me something to read!
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Killerrabbit
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| Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2012 11:45 pm Post subject: |
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Since I was involved with F@H from the beginning when it was Genome@Home basically.
'Difference of Opinion' - that is a mild way of saying it. It was not canceled because people were talking about it online before it became official, I honestly think they wanted to hype it all up. It was more sleazy, complicated, and full of politics.
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Putting_things_on_top
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| Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 2:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Killerrabbit wrote: | Since I was involved with F@H from the beginning when it was Genome@Home basically.
'Difference of Opinion' - that is a mild way of saying it. It was not canceled because people were talking about it online before it became official, I honestly think they wanted to hype it all up. It was more sleazy, complicated, and full of politics.
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Academia & Politics are two sides of the same coin.
There is obviously a long-standing rivalry between Stanford and UC Berkeley.
Too often, we see Universities competing against one another - just for the shear bragging rights..."we did this first".
It makes me wonder how much time & effort is lost (and slowing of scientific progress) to these petty, ego-maniacal competitions.
Have they (the PhD holders) no concept or awareness of how this looks from an 'outside' perspective???
Too often, they seem to be acting like a bunch of bickering 4th-graders!
They need to grow-up, put on the big-boy-pants, and just get on with it!
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LanDroid
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IIRC, we did have F@H on the PotM ballot for a while, 'round the time we were trying to keep KWSN from falling to 100th place. There just weren't enough votes or horsepower at that point. We could put Folding@Home on the ballot again, but I don't see what computers have to do with Origami. 
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Putting_things_on_top
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| LanDroid wrote: | | IIRC, we did have F@H on the PotM ballot for a while, 'round the time we were trying to keep KWSN from falling to 100th place. There just weren't enough votes or horsepower at that point. We could put it back on the ballot tho... |
When I joined KWSN (Oct 2009), we were at #86. I started making an appeal to the Knights when we hit #93.
But then, I "fell off" for about a year (dealing with my elderly mother's decline & hospice, and lack of motivation to replace burned-out GPUs during that time).
When I finally pulled myself back together (and upgraded my rigs), I was dismayed to find we had slipped into #134. We have improved by 1 place recently.
The REAL reason for keeping ourselves in the top 100 is that potential new folding participants will look at the "list" of teams.
There is the Stanford list, yes, but many newbies will also check-out the 'independent' stats pages.
Most people do not have the patience (or attention span) to scroll thru a list of over 2500 teams to decide which ones pique their interest.
EOC groups teams (by rank) in 100-at-a-time pages, other stats sites are 50-at-a-time.
By keeping ourselves in the top 100 (not only on F@H, but every major project), the effectiveness of the Loonie Magnet will be preserved - or amplified.
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Killerrabbit
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| Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 6:00 pm Post subject: |
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We could start a project dedicated to origami I am sure we could dominate it.
Sir Putting Things on Top, if you want more of the real story just send me a PM and I will respond.
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Killerrabbit
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| Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 11:36 pm Post subject: |
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I have decided to crunch a little bit of Folding to see how it works now. Been a long time.
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Cow_tipping
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| Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 1:48 am Post subject: |
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I don't think it's decline of interest of the KWSN team in Folding. IIRC it's a continuous reverse tactics operation and must not be disturbed.
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PhastPhred
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Been awhile for me, so I put the Laptop back on...
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LanDroid
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| Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 6:00 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | By keeping ourselves in the top 100 (not only on F@H, but every major project), the effectiveness of the Loonie Magnet will be preserved - or amplified. |
I agree except KWSN should be in the Top 20 to attract attention. We have achieved that in most projects, perhaps something worth reviewing and fixing where needed. (Unfortunately we don't have the horsepower or attention span to do that in F@H or WCG, another project where we're below 100...) |
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Killerrabbit
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| Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 9:23 am Post subject: |
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Sir Cow Tipping, The reverse tactics and reverse moving do not always work out.
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Putting_things_on_top
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| Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 7:52 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks to the Knights who are willing to give F@H another go.
Every WU and every point helps get us closer to finding cures.
As we regain our 'rightful' standings, though, we must form a volunteer committee to polish the Loonie Magnets to a bright, shiny luster (many are mesmerized by & attracted to whirling 'shiny objects').
BTW: there's still the outstanding problem of cleaning-up the dung piles in the hydroponic-baboon laboratory. Any volunteers for that?
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