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PostPosted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 9:51 am    Post subject: Programmers? Reply with quote

Since Amanheis has not been heard from for over a year, it seems that BoincView is a stale software. With the new versions of BOINC and project softwares coming out, and many changes ahead, I am wondering if we could as a team create a program as good, if not better than BoincView to work with the newer versions.

Some things are already broken. The new 6.x versions of CPDN (on Beta) do not show the t/s. Some of the new network calls coming up in the Beta 6.3.x versions are causing several issues.

We'd be heroes if we could build a new software as good, or better than BoincView. Alas, I am not a programmer, but I plead and Ni! my fellow loonies to search in their "BRAINS!" as hard as they can to create some new Shrubbery helpful tools!
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 11:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can not program, I can beta and alpha test the thing to death though.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 11:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The furthest I had taken in software development (and this was over 6 years ago) was CS251, or intermidiate programming. Also, they might/might not use C++, doubt I could develop this. Most of what I took was more on the computer networking side (have degree in it) and the hardware side of things... I also took enough classes for a minor in biology, but that would hardly help here

Perhaps someone here is a software dev
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 5:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am a software developer, sadly though I have been in a proprietary software package for 10+ years now. So while at one time I used to know C/C++/VB/.Net/etc..., all I can program in now is PeopleSoft/ADP/SQR.

However on the positive side if you want a functional Accounting/Purchasing or HR/Payroll system, I am your guy!! Wink
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 5:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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<snip>all I can program in now is PeopleSoft/ADP/SQR.</snip>


You poor bastard....
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 6:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have been thinking of picking up a VBS for Dummies and reading it on the side. Can't be that hard I know kids who do it. It shouldn't take me more than a couple 3 years I guess. #ni-1
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 6:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been an embedded software and application developer for the last 30 years (amongst many other hats I wear Rolling Eyes ), but that doesn't mean I want to do it in my spare time too! Embarassed
(Not that I have much spare time at the moment anyway... Mad )

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 14, 2008 8:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sir Papa Smurph wrote:
I have been thinking of picking up a VBS for Dummies and reading it on the side. Can't be that hard I know kids who do it....


VBS? Vacation Bible School? There ARE kids in VBS, but I am not sure how that is going to help us here Wink
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 1:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mohrorless wrote:
KWSN Im Not Dead wrote:
<snip>all I can program in now is PeopleSoft/ADP/SQR.</snip>


You poor bastard....


Could be worse... He coulda been stuck working for the government #ni-1 When I took DBA-1, the teacher worked for the US Forest Service for decades. He left, and on the one hand opened his own business, when he got tired of beuracracy and working for the gov...

Only thing is, he decided to also teach, and it was only after he got his professorship he had come to realize that universities and colleges can be just as bad as the federal government job he had left behind, when it came to beuracracies. #ni-1
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 1:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sir Papa Smurph wrote:
I have been thinking of picking up a VBS for Dummies and reading it on the side. Can't be that hard I know kids who do it. It shouldn't take me more than a couple 3 years I guess. #ni-1


Just when carrying VBS for dummies around, don't do what this one employer for a different teacher (different state and school actually) did. The place of employment for the teacher's second job was a local nuclear power plant, and software was needed to run on the computer systems that operate the thing.

So the boss came in after having asked for a program, and asked if it was ready yet. When the teacher/employeee there said it's written, but needs to be tested first; the boss balled him out with

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What do you people make this so difficult for? I use front page express to write web pages, and programming is never difficult. If you were half the programmer I was, you'd never have to debug anythng.


Laughing Front page express; that's not quite writting something in C++ which is controlling a nuclear reactor, which if something does go terribly wrong could be anotehr 3 mile island or Chernobyl Surprised
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 8:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Sir Papa Smurph wrote:
I have been thinking of picking up a VBS for Dummies and reading it on the side. Can't be that hard I know kids who do it. It shouldn't take me more than a couple 3 years I guess. #ni-1


Just when carrying VBS for dummies around, don't do what this one employer for a different teacher (different state and school actually) did. The place of employment for the teacher's second job was a local nuclear power plant, and software was needed to run on the computer systems that operate the thing.

So the boss came in after having asked for a program, and asked if it was ready yet. When the teacher/employeee there said it's written, but needs to be tested first; the boss balled him out with

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What do you people make this so difficult for? I use front page express to write web pages, and programming is never difficult. If you were half the programmer I was, you'd never have to debug anythng.


Laughing Front page express; that's not quite writting something in C++ which is controlling a nuclear reactor, which if something does go terribly wrong could be anotehr 3 mile island or Chernobyl Surprised


It goes to show, anything a PHB doesn't undertand must not be hard to do.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 9:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Son Goku wrote:
Sir Papa Smurph wrote:
I have been thinking of picking up a VBS for Dummies and reading it on the side. Can't be that hard I know kids who do it. It shouldn't take me more than a couple 3 years I guess. #ni-1


Just when carrying VBS for dummies around, don't do what this one employer for a different teacher (different state and school actually) did. The place of employment for the teacher's second job was a local nuclear power plant, and software was needed to run on the computer systems that operate the thing.

So the boss came in after having asked for a program, and asked if it was ready yet. When the teacher/employeee there said it's written, but needs to be tested first; the boss balled him out with

Quote:
What do you people make this so difficult for? I use front page express to write web pages, and programming is never difficult. If you were half the programmer I was, you'd never have to debug anythng.


Laughing Front page express; that's not quite writting something in C++ which is controlling a nuclear reactor, which if something does go terribly wrong could be anotehr 3 mile island or Chernobyl Surprised


It works the other way also. When I was working at Texas Instruments years ago and going to school nights, I asked the instructor if I could do the programing assignments in Structured Fortran instead of PL1 (what the school used for design courses then) so I could do the assignments at work. I explained that the code would look very much the same, outside of the "idiot" that wrote the Structured Fortran compiler did not include a Case statement, so I would not be able to use them (use multiple if/thens instead). The instructor looked at me for a moment, smiled and said "I am that idiot, would you like to write the code to implement the case statement in the compiler in place of the normal assignments?" Needless to say, I ended up learning more than I planned in that course (the compiler was written in TMS9900 assembly language).
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 5:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It works the other way also. When I was working at Texas Instruments years ago and going to school nights, I asked the instructor if I could do the programing assignments in Structured Fortran instead of PL1 (what the school used for design courses then) so I could do the assignments at work. I explained that the code would look very much the same, outside of the "idiot" that wrote the Structured Fortran compiler did not include a Case statement, so I would not be able to use them (use multiple if/thens instead). The instructor looked at me for a moment, smiled and said "I am that idiot, would you like to write the code to implement the case statement in the compiler in place of the normal assignments?" Needless to say, I ended up learning more than I planned in that course (the compiler was written in TMS9900 assembly language).


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 7:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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ohiomike wrote:
It works the other way also. When I was working at Texas Instruments years ago and going to school nights, I asked the instructor if I could do the programing assignments in Structured Fortran instead of PL1 (what the school used for design courses then) so I could do the assignments at work. I explained that the code would look very much the same, outside of the "idiot" that wrote the Structured Fortran compiler did not include a Case statement, so I would not be able to use them (use multiple if/thens instead). The instructor looked at me for a moment, smiled and said "I am that idiot, would you like to write the code to implement the case statement in the compiler in place of the normal assignments?" Needless to say, I ended up learning more than I planned in that course (the compiler was written in TMS9900 assembly language).


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It was yummy! It is surprising, most people with PhD's have more of a sense of humor about being called an idiot than us "normal" people do.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 8:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some compilers.... When I took CS151 the teacher required us to compile it in xLC... For whatever reason she chose not to have the class use gcc which was also on the AIX servers.

So, to do the thing at home, I started making the thing in Borland C++ (this was over a decade ago), and then had to compile the thing in xLC... Problem is that xLC isn't exactly standards compliant. For instance if someone made a rather standard line of code:

for (int i=0, i < x, i++)
{
//....
}

most compilers would define the variable i for the duration of the for loop. Not xLC.... xLC would consider it defined, not even to just the end of the fuction, but instead as if it was a global variable defined for the duration of the entire source code file....

Needless to say, if one needed to port it; and forget just Borland c++ alone, but even among gcc, one would have to go through the entire code and change it because in xLC another for loop latter in the program would come up with an error for variable already defined; fix it for xLC and all other C++ compilers would complain it isn't defined. That was only one area where that POS compiler was rather standards non-compliant.

xLC was one royal headache...

That paled in the face of what happened in EECE238 though... That semester, to begin the teacher died just before the semester began, so they got a replacement who also worked at Sandia. He wanted to use the text book (the prior teacher hadn't). So he was told he would have to speak with the college bookstore. For a class of 200 students + 1 teacher, they figured 20 text books aught to do (whatever bueracrat working at the bookstore).

When students couldn't buy the book, they complained, the teacher complained, and the bookstore chose to only order them at the rate of 5 more per week. It was after mid-terms before the whole class had a book, with homework assignments to be done out of the text, and multiple quizes on the contents of the text book as well as lecture (not lecture alone) as well.

To make matters worse; the lab TA I had, was first semester in the US, having arrived from India. And as it turned out, in India the person was only taught written English, not spoaken. It was also around mid-terms when she decided she has to take English as a second language, else she would be doomed unable to communicate with anyone in her class.

I told a fellow student about this (wasn't in that lab section), and the person was like

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Oh, but wait till you hear about my CS251 lab TA. The person doesn't know a word on English, so has this Chinese C++ text book; which during lab periods where we should be getting help in writting our programs, instead they read the thing cover to cover. It's some hieroglyphics (the person didn't know, but it would be Kanjii; I've taken some Japanese rather, so not wholly unfamiliar with the writting system used in Chinese writting, though it's read rather different Chinese to Japanese), something C++.

The person reads this thing cover to cover, without translating!. That's my entire lab period. As to help on programs, nope...
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