KWSN Orbiting Fortress

Gemjunkie · Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 4:12 pm Post subject:

Apparently DNETC had their server seized by the police in an illegal pirate torrent investigation, I haven't heard anything recently.

I've only used GPU's on DNETC, I don't even recall if it had a CPU option as a HD5870 would yield ~300k/day.

Gemjunkie · Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 4:15 pm Post subject:

How'd you sneak in there Stoop? Laughing

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stooper101 · Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 5:41 pm Post subject:

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Gemjunkie · Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 10:39 pm Post subject:

When did you squeeze in that training?

#ni-1

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Killerrabbit · Posted: Tue May 03, 2011 12:58 am Post subject:

Well that ends one of the best projects for KWSN.

Ni
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Nuadormrac · Prince Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Posts: 506

I went to see if I could find anything on this seizure, and instead found the following. If this, in fact is one and the same project; I'm not sure I'd want to sign up with it. The complaint was that registered users in BOINC were getting their team assignment automatically set to the project's own team (with suggestion that the team that solves it gets the $1,000, so...sort of cheating argument). But the reply which was said to come from a forum mod, would be harsh to say the least; even threatening to delete points from anyone who posts to a thread which ever brings up the topic again.

I haven't actually crunched this project before; so will leave it for some who have, to chime in:

http://www.free-dc.org/forum/showthread.php?23710-Some-things-you-should-all-know-about.&s=258657795bf2dce25f2d3c7d0e5182b0

Al Dente · Posted: Tue May 03, 2011 7:02 am Post subject:

Mmmmm...
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Mildew · Posted: Tue May 03, 2011 12:18 pm Post subject:

With the kind of effort and cost put into creating the BOINC project (wrapper) and running the servers for it, I'd say that $1000 is not much, and they deserve it if they get it.

The prize money is just symbolic anyway. I pay about $2000 in electricity alone every year running distributed computing, and then there's the hardware costs...
$1000 is a spit in the ocean, nothing to make a fuss over Wink

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Nuadormrac · Prince Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Posts: 506

It's dishonest to offer up $1,000 though, if one doesn't intend to pay it out fairly and legitimately; and rather dishonest to secretly bump everyone into one's team....

There's a certain trust when it comes to crunchers that things are being done above board, and that when a monetary prize is offered it's issued in a manner that wouldn't entail keeping it through less then honest means. If they don't want to pay, just be above board and don't offer it. Especially when business is entered into it; I'm sure everyone prefers an honest business man, if given the choice (and would offer repeat business). If say Robert Tilton or some such televangelist was caught pocketing donations, and making a little on the side, and it came to light, many knowing this to be the cause for instance might chose to offer their donation somewhere else (to help the victims of the Japanese tsunami for instance), instead...
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The Knighty NI · Posted: Tue May 03, 2011 7:13 pm Post subject:

There are many cowboys out there. (Sorry to say this considering there are many legitimate cowboys who do a good job for ranchers).

In many ways they cheat decent honest people in one way or another. Many business people conduct business in such a way that they are stealing from people hence the name cowboy or rouge.

Sadly we have to guard against such practices and it makes me want to do dreadful perverse things to such people who would try and take advantage of us who want to give our time, effort and money to furthering science and the good of humanity.

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Get back you swines.

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stooper101 · Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 12:57 pm Post subject:

In regards to the prize money. The actual prize from RSA Labs is $10,000 to break the code. If you break it on your own, without using anybody else's software, you get the 10k. Distributed.net has devised there software which we all can use to try to crack the code. If your computer is the one that happens to crack it, the money will be divided according to d.net's predefined criteria found here: http://www.distributed.net/RC5. You'll see that the user would get 1000, and the user's team (if participating in a team) would get 1000. The rest goes either to d.net or non-profit.

Now (as far as I remember), if you were to use DNETC (boinc), the team money would go to DNETC. The individual money, well, I can't remember what was decided. All 2k may go to DNETC. But basically, DNETC had determined that the use of their software and servers earned a little payback too.

Keep in mind, there is another boinc project just emerging (Moo! Wrapper) which is set up by completely different people (I think) along the same lines as DNETC. I haven't even read any news/forums about this one so couldn't tell you what are their thoughts on the prize money.

So, in the end, some people are doing the RC5-75 code cracking for the money. Some for the excitement of trying to crack the code and realize there is a very small chance of your pc actually finding the solution and the fact the the amount of money put in to crunching the numbers may out-weigh the amount of prize money awarded. And some that do it for credits (the magical numbers of shrubberies that will some day determine who will rule the world).

Take it or leave it, that's how I understand it.

edit: If I had read d.net's page better, I would have known that RSA had discontinued there challenge and d.net is continuing to privately sponsor the prize.
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Nuadormrac · Prince Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Posts: 506

Well it's the combination of automically putting everyone on their team; but then more to the point the harsh authoritarian reaction their mod gave, which, well....

If they get the 8k, team gets 1k, and individual gets 1k (as was originally stated), that'd be one thing. I of course think the same thing when I read about banks creating all these new fees (becase they compalin they're losing money not being able to charge over-draft fees, as if somehow they're entitled to the depositers money so they'll fee them however). But because there's time involved in crunching a project (and money in the form of electricity bills of which all I can say is PSE&G is well funded); both just looked a slap in the face.

Hopefully whatever project is setting up, will be more up front and honest with people.... Well and have mods that are more willing to work with the crunching community, as opposed to assuming the role of a mini-Mubarak
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Sir Papa Smurph · Posted: Fri May 06, 2011 4:07 pm Post subject:

Boinc itself should police the projects that are authorized to receive points and moderators like that should be Terminated....PERIOD

This is something that could easily be hijacked and misused...

A high profile scam could put an end to this forever.....

Just imagine trying to explain to your Boss/Spouse/Friend why their computer was being used to profit someone else at their expense...
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