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Sir Papa Smurph · Posted: Sat Aug 16, 2008 11:30 am Post subject: How the Mighty have fallen

Cosmo may be in trouble

Looks like they really have blown a good thing Confused

It looks like Milky got the major benefit

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Al Dente · Posted: Sat Aug 16, 2008 1:44 pm Post subject:

... and that's across all teams, not just a couple of big hitters.
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Killerrabbit · Posted: Sat Aug 16, 2008 2:13 pm Post subject:

I stopped Cosmo a long time ago, saw this coming.

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Killerrabbit · Posted: Sat Aug 16, 2008 10:36 pm Post subject:

I only have one computer that I just got BOINC active on again and I only shrub about 10 projects at a time.

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APoch · Knight Joined: 20 Dec 2007 Posts: 32

I still have one machine on cosmo ,down from 4. Actually things are getting better all of the WU's since the sledge hammer fix have been validated and are getting credit. I still have about 2000 in credit that is and may be permanently in limbo. So far there is no word on if they will try and give partial credit or just resend the lost wu's out.

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mohrorless · Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 5:22 am Post subject:

They did it to themselves.
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Killerrabbit · Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 10:22 am Post subject:

I mean its not like they listened to the early beta users in how to make it work. They frankly ignored us most of the time.

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mohrorless · Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 8:28 pm Post subject:

I have practically eliminated cosmo from my shrubbers. I have it getting less then 2% of my shrub time and I might push it further down than that.

I was just on Boincstats and saw that Milkyway produced more than 10x the credit in the last 24 hours than Cosmo.... I feel it will get worse than that. They will be begging us to come back soon...

On the other hand, their servers will not be stressed anymore.
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Sir Papa Smurph · Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 9:05 pm Post subject:

I can't help but wonder what their pending looks like. with all the members detaching some may never get done.
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The Spirit · Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 12:08 am Post subject:

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Killerrabbit · Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 6:34 pm Post subject:

I have seen the problems as different than most people.

1. They ignored the suggestions and warnings of the early beta testers (I am one of them).

2. The change of WU type. The WU's were not completeing, not just errors but version changes as well with little or no warning.

3. Pending credit, this has never been resolved. I know they want to get a lot of WU's out there but when there might have been 200 active users at the beginning they did not need over 100K WU's ready to download. It just became silly.

4. Failure to adapt, when the project went down at various times the early beta testers had little to no news on what was happening. We are a tight knit group with our own email group, we all thought they were done and were going to reconsitiute it as something else. Since they were still working on a goal, they at times claimed it would be nothing more than a test project and would come back later as something else.

Some people will crunch projects for the science, some for the credit. That is a given that has haunted David Andersen ever since BOINC started. It will never be fixed. But the Cosmo team has made many mistakes, the most grevious not keeping the volunteers up to date on important developements, and spending more and coding the WU and not the website would be a good start.

(one of the few completely serious posts I have made.)

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mohrorless · Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 8:13 pm Post subject:

Killerrabbit · Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 9:12 pm Post subject:

I will try to remember. But some of them you can guess from the problems that I listed last post.

One of them very clearly was getting rid of the 100 credit value for all WU's. One of them was the lack of news for long periods of time about the project. Another was the pending credit that never was granted (that complaint was one of the last). The lack of participation in the forums by the people who ran the project, there were bug issues yet the people running Cosmo never looked at the forums. The only way a couple could get in contact with them was an email addy they found buried in the old site. Lack of coding progress even though the website went through many redesigns.

The horrific debate about credit, again, was early testers want one of two ways (we really do not care which way). Either take the average of two WU's or do three WU's and take the middle score as granted credit. Cosmo tried to get a lot of people in early that wanted quick and fast credit with 100 points per a unit. All units then were test units, nothing scientific about them (except for them crashing). A couple of us after awhile posted on the forums that it needed to be changed to something more equitable, this was before Dr. Anderson stuck his foot into the credit debate. Again no one running the project was on the forum so we were totally ignored.

I guess the main deal was the lack of communication with the beta testers, and the people running the project were not reading the forums since that is where problems would be posted.

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Sir Papa Smurph · Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 9:05 pm Post subject:

there seems to be Quite a bit of bitching right now about Milky in the BoincStats shout box. I have been gone a couple of days, so anyone know what that is about. I saw the post about changing the credit to some maximum but I can't really believe that my machines will be affected by that.

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