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NOW THIS IS A STORY WORTH TELLING. THIS STORY EXEMPLIFIES GUN CONTROL AS IT SHOULD BE.

Shooting in Butte, Montana

Shotgun preteen vs. illegal alien Home Invaders Butte, Montana, November 5, 2006.

Two illegal aliens, Ralphel Resindez, 23, and Enrico Garza, 26, probably believed they would easily overpower home-alone 11 year old Patricia Harrington after her father had left their two-story home.

It seems the two crooks never learned two things: they were in Montana and Patricia had been a clay shooting champion since she was nine.

Patricia was in her upstairs room when the two men broke through the front door of the house. She quickly ran to her father's room and grabbed his 12 gauge Mossberg 500 shotgun.

Resindez was the first to get up to the second floor only to be the first to catch a near point blank blast of buckshot from the 11-year-old's knee crouch aim. He suffered fatal wounds to his abdomen and genitals.

When Garza ran to the foot of the stairs, he took a blast to the left shoulder and staggered out into the street where he bled to death before medical help could arrive.

It was found out later that Resindez was armed with a stolen 45 caliber handgun he took from another home invasion robbery. That victim, 50-year-old David Burien, was not so lucky. He died from stab wounds to the chest.

Ever wonder why good stuff never makes NBC, CBS, PBS, MSNBC, CNN, or ABC news....

Now that is Gun Control

Thought for the day:

Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented immigrant" is like calling a drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist" .
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[Mildew]

What is considered "a good thing" differs from person to person I suppose.
I know you Americans like your guns

In Sweden, little Patricia would now be living in a foster home, and the father would, if not be in jail, at least owe a hefty sum to the victims families.

[mohrorless]

If guns are illegal in Sweeden, I do believe little Patrica would be DEAD! I am sure the father's shotgun is legally owned.

That is what is going wrong with this world. 2 people break in with the intention to do some really bad things and yet someone would consider them victims (not meaning you Mildew, I meant someone in the general sense).

She was defending her life and the family's property. 'Nuff said. I think the estates (if any) of the bad guys should have to reimburse Patrica's family for the ammo used.
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[KWSN - Sir Brian C.......]

[Sir Papa Smurph]

You know, there was a time in this country when you could send your kid to the store to buy you a pack of smokes or a 6 pack. Now that would be considered child abuse. We have kids with no sense of independence or belief of their own competence. When I grew up the only people who wore helmets when they rode a bicycle were autistic. I understand that there is a level of risk associated with bike riding, However I never knew anyone who was seriously injured in a bicycle accident. ( unless they got hit by a car ).

It is interesting that the top 5 things parents worry about are not even close to the top 5 actual causes of death and injury to their children.

I doubt very much that Patricia will suffer very much over the fact that she has now proven that she has the ability to react in a stressful situation. She will never be one of the sheep.

Good for you Patricia...
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[mohrorless]

[Old woman(mann, sorry)]

In England if the raiders had survived they could have successfully sued for compensation.
In any case the girl would have been "taken into care" and the father would have been prosecuted for something (a group of people would have kept trying until they found something, anything to get him on, "to send a signal"?).
The fact that they had killed already would have been ignored.
We are not allowed to protect our homes, if someone breaks in we owe that person a duty of care. FACT.

[mohrorless]

[KWSN_hgs]

Had an officer of the law explain to our neighborhood watch (folk watch out for and report unusual behavior -- take care of each other, that kind of thing) that the reason that most break-ins happen during the day is, and I quote: "because of your second amendment rights" which are of course the rights about guns in private hands and all that. Too much chance of running into little Patricia's daddy if you wait until it's dark to do your burglary -- bad luck for these guys that learning to use guns is considered 100% normal in Montana. In fact it's a pretty reliable clue that you aren't a native if you don't know how to shoot, and how to reload your own shells.

Dontknow -- hate to see people get killed for walking in uninvited. Maybe these guys were lost? But on the other hand I wouldn't have wanted Patricia to wait and find out what their intentions were either. Kinda late for her if the uninvited are up to no good.

Note to self: people from Montana might shoot you to death if you break into their house. Pick another house?
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[KWSN - Sir Brian C.......]

[KWSN - Sir Brian C.......]

[Sir Papa Smurph]

Sir Brian, I was not criticizing your opinion, I was simply stating that the young lady has shown that she is capable of observing and reacting in a way that we in "Civilized Society" are taught not to use. We have authority figures to protect us and as pointed out in many places we would be prosecuted for protecting ourselves and or our property from people who make their living by victimizing others. In this country ( U.S. ) before 9/11 the proper response to a threat was to "Cooperate and you won't get hurt". After 1 plane load of people took matters into their own hands that was rethought. Many liberals would like to take away all guns and leave them in the hand of law enforcement only. This is not only impractical but would leave the general public not only potential victims of criminals but possibly ( I would argue probably ) abuse from government as well. I am a "liberal" but I believe that greater liberty of concealed weapons would give greater security to the law abiding public in general. The many school shootings are a case in point. At one the principal had a weapon in his car and at the start of the incident he ran to his car and retrieved his weapon and stopped the incident without firing a shot. I could continue but I recognize that there are valid arguements on both sides of the issue, I simply favor one side.
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[babychunder]

Here in the UK if you or your property is threatened then you are entitled to use "reasonable force" to defend yourself. What's reasonable force mean? A level of force appropriate to the threat. So it would be OK to use a shotgun to defend yourself against an armed intruder, but probably not against a knife-wielding scumbag. In the latter circumstance you could be sued by the intruder and /or prosecuted for a number of different offences, as has happened in a couple of celebrated cases here.

Britain has pretty much the toughest set of firearms controls in the world. To (legally) own a gun you have to be licensed and go through a set of police checks. The police must be persuaded you are not a threat to public safety, they get to check your medical history (to see if you are wacko) and your criminal record. You have to explain why you want the gun, where you plan to shoot, and put up two people of good character to support your application.

You can only use weapons for pest control, field sports, or target shooting. Hand guns are no longer legal, but you can have a target pistol.

There are age restrictions on owning and using a shotgun which would exclude any 11 year olds from even firing a gun. Weapons kept at home have to be in a secure locked cabinet, with the ammo stored elsewhere.

So, I doubt this sort of incident could take place in the UK. We gun-owners and field sports people have been seriously inconvenienced by all the changes to the law since the various school massacres, but in my view it is worth it if it prevents the death of another child. (Of course there are still lots of illegal weapons floating around with criminals etc, they are not going to bother with licensing and the law).

I know that the US Constitution gives its citizens the right to bear arms, but with that right comes a duty to use them responsibly. Dare I suggest the US may have something to learn from the experiences of other countries?

PS - As far as I am concerned, if someone is an armed criminal, and they get shot by their victim, then it's an occupational hazard - tough t1tty
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[mohrorless]

We also have the "reasonable force" defense here. If someone threatens to hit you, setting of a suitcase nuke is a definate no no, but if you are threatened with deadly force, they you may retalliate with deadly force.

There are gun control laws here as well. The only thing they seem to do is to keep the guns out of the hands of the law abiding citizens. Stolen guns, guns obtained illegally, guns brought in over the border (that is a BIG problem) are the guns that are used in crimes the majority of the time.

Here in NYC a couple of years ago the mayor started trying to sue the gum manufacturers over the illegal hand guns in NYC. His claim that the manufacturers were flooding the states without the extreme gun control laws that NYC has was causing the bad guys to go there and buy guns and bring them to NYC illegally. I hope he loses. His problem is really with the other cities and states. They don't have the same laws, so it is easier to get guns there (there is still a wating period and background checks so the bad guys don't get the guns, sometimes the checks fail - I would say not too often). It would be like soeone blaming General Motos for how some drove a car, of the PGGB mannufacturer for what someone did with the product.

Then again he is an eliteist bastard that is trying to turn Manhatten (one of the boroughs of NYC) into a private playground for the rich at the cost of the rest of the city.
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[babychunder]

I agree about Bloomberg. Much of what he's trying to claim credit for was actually Giuliani's work. The "Manhattan Project" is as you say for the ruling elite only. I was surprised he didn't run for President, suppose most NYC-ers were disappointed they won't be getting shot of him. Self-serving turd.
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[mohrorless]

[babychunder]

Well there have been many disappointments in my life but one of them most definitely wasn't my first trip to NYC at the age of 17. I'd just left High School and took the trip with the money my old folks gave me.

The city seemed at once instantly familiar, and I felt right at home there. I later realised it was from all these TV shows filmed there that I'd grown up watching in the UK.

That was back in the mid-70s, when NYC was downright sleazy and dangerous. Down in the Village, hanging out at the music spots in Bleeker St, getting accosted by all these beautiful NYC girls who "just loved my accent", busking by day and jamming by night, what an absolute gas, I spent the whole summer there after flying into JFK with my guitar and just $80 I'd saved up.

Now NYC is pretty safe and doesn't have the same buzz to its nightlife. All these poor smokers hanging around on the street, jazz and blues indoors ain't the same if not viewed through a thick blue haze.
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